A Visit to Sarajevo. A Microcosm of everything that’s wrong with the Balkans.

I just got back from Sarajevo. I’d like to be able to say that Sarajevo is a beautiful and interesting place, marvel at its history of being the “Jerusalem of Europe”, talk about how the people are welcoming and what gracious hosts they are. All of that is true.  But to stop right there would be to give you a glib, half-assed version of what I felt spending a week in the city. The truth is that the more time I spent in Sarajevo the more depressed I became about the current history not only of Sarajevo and Bosnia and Herzegovina, but of the Balkans as a whole.

Readers of this blog know that we’re big fans of the Balkans. We’ve visited almost every country in the region now (Albania and Bulgaria excluded) and everywhere we’ve gone we’ve been met by hospitable, gracious people. As visitors, I don’t think you will get more welcoming hosts anywhere in the world than you do in the Balkans where, upon entering the door, you’ll often be greeted with cake, Turkish sweets, coffee or even a home cooked meal. You think that’s incredible? On my last day in Sarajevo I met 2 elderly men. They invited me to a restaurant where we spent 8 hours talking about Bosnia over wine, pizza, and Bosnian delicacies. We ended up drinking 4 bottles of wine. At the end of the night, no matter how much I protested, they refused to accept a cent of my money. So I’m not exaggerating when I talk about the incredible Balkan hospitality.

With so many great people in the region, it is almost incomprehensible that these same people, between them, can’t get along. Not even close. As one of the two men said to me, “we must have something wrong with our heads. Maybe something wrong in our genes. It doesn’t make sense”.

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Visit Sarajevo today and much of the history is focused on the siege of the city during the Bosnian War that started in 1992 and ended in 1996.
I’ll keep the history as short as possible:

– Yugoslavia started to break up in 1991, the republics of Slovenia and Croatia declaring independence.
– After a referendum, Bosnia and Hercegovina declared independence in 1992. Of the 6 republics of Yugoslavia, it was the most ethnically diverse of the republics with significant Serb and Croat minorities. Bosnian Serbs didn’t support independence from Yugoslavia (who’s capital was Belgrade, in the republic of Serbia)
– What followed in 1992 was the beginning of the Bosnian Wars in which Bosnian Serbs, supported by Serbia, laid siege to Sarajevo. The Serbians controlled the majority of the Yugoslav army, at the time the 4th largest army in Europe. Fighting them were a combined force of Bosniak (ethnic Muslim) and Bosnian Croat forces. Sarajevo would be under siege for almost 4 years with no electricity or water, with civilians getting shot in the streets and bombed in their homes. 11,000 civilians, including 1,600 children, were killed. The UN secured the airport, brought in food supplies, but it was pitifully inadequate.
– In 1992 the Croats turned on the Bosnians and, like the Serbs, made a land grab further south [I’ve previously written on Mostar – it was the most heavily destroyed city in Bosnia and Herzegovina].
– In 1995, the Bosnian War ended, first with the Washington Agreement bringing peace between Bosnians and Croats. After the famous Srebrenica massacre, NATO intervened militarily, ending the Serb – Bosnian conflict. Essentially, nobody was the victor in this war. The Dayton Accord spelled out the terms for peace for Bosnia and Hercegovina, including the establishment of a 3-person Presidency (a Bosniak, a Serb, a Croat). Together, they serve a 4 year term. The Dayton Accord also created Republika Srpska (meaning “Serb Republic”) as a 2nd constitutional and legal entity in Bosnia and Herzegovina. (ie. Just to clarify: Bosnia and Herzegovina is made up of 2 entities, one being the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, the other being Republika Srpska).

I’ve highlighted important stuff above that I’ll be referring to again below. Just know that really none of the parties in the conflict are happy with the results of the Dayton Accord. 

I’ve kept it factual, ignoring the ethnic cleansing, concentration camps, and killing of civilians. Many people will tell you all the above has happened to one group or another in the Balkans, including to the Serbs in World War II. There’s a long list of grievances on all sides.

 

One of the tours that everyone should do in Sarajevo is a Siege Tour. Included is all the history that I’ve mentioned above (in much more detail) and how citizens survived, in part because of an underground tunnel built under the airport. The tunnel was a conduit into the city from Free Bosnian Territory (which the Serbs didn’t control) on the other side of the airport. The supplies brought in saved the lives of Sarajevans and also saved the city from having to surrender to the Serbs.

But that’s history and I felt sadness seeing the video watching civilians ducking Serb sniper fire and  walking through the tunnel.

But it was the modern part of the tour that made me angry.

– Do you know that the new government had 3 years to choose a flag for the new Bosnia and Herzegovina? They couldn’t agree to anything. After 3 years!! The flag of Bosnia and Herzegovina that you see today had to be decided upon by the UN.
– I’ve mentioned the 3 acting presidents. All decisions need unanimous agreement. It never happens. Everything is done to undermine the political process.
– The country is now split into 2 entities (the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina) and Republika Srpska and the population in the two are split along ethnic lines. This is a divided country.
– Government jobs are allocated by nationality, as per the Dayton Accord. So there’s ethnic tensions in the workplace where everyone knows everyone else’s ethnicity. It’s dysfunctional, discriminatory, and just adds to ethic resentment.
– The economy stinks and has never recovered from pre-1990 levels. The average salary is 300 Euros/month (the lowest in Europe), and the unemployment rate about 40%, youth unemployment more than 50%.
– 150,000 young people (minimum I’m told) have left the country to work in Western Europe over the last 4 years (the country’s population is about 3.5 million). Our guide had lots of stories of friends who’ve emigrated to Germany or Sweden for a better life. 

Bosnia and Hercegovina is a basket case and politicians are intentionally allowing it to happen. That’s what’s really shocking. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out why – a failed state falls into the longer term plans of some of its politicians.

 

After the tunnel we drove up into the hills and within minutes were in Republika Srpska, where Bosnian Serbs live. Their flags dominate every street corner and there was a big sign welcoming you to Republika Srpska. “They want to know who’s boss around here” says our guide. For those who haven’t heard, politicians from Republika Srpska have been in the news consistently threatening a referendum on the separation from Bosnia and Hercegovina and merging with Serbia. I asked the guide how a Muslim would be treated if coming to this territory: “they would be yelled at and insulted”.

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We passed a bunch of mangy dogs (stray dogs are a problem in Bosnia) and were taking to the bobsled facilities used in the 1984 Olympics (Sarajevo hosted the Olympics that year, one of the best Winter Olympics up to that point. 8 years later the country was at war). The bobsled run was used as an artillery position by the Bosnian Serb forces during the war and were inflicted a lot of damage. I’m told they’ve been restored but all I see is graffiti and old cement.

A 5 minute drive from there brings you to old ruins. It used to be a popular restaurant with wonderful views of Sarajevo. During the war it was used by the Serbs and was targeted by NATO jets when they finally decided to step into the war. It’s totally ruined today although my guide tells me “they’re talking of re-building it…but that would mean the government would have to vote on it”.
So basically no, it won’t happen.

Depressed yet?

We went to the old Jewish Cemetery, the 2nd largest Jewish cemetary in Europe.  In the days of the Ottoman empire, Sarajevo was indeed the Jerusalem of Europe. In 1492 when the Jews were expelled from Spain (kicked out by the Catholics) they were welcome in Sarajevo where they became doctors, pharmacists and businessmen. At its peak, before WWII, the Jewish community numbered about 14,000 in Sarajevo, about 20% of the population. During the war, Bosnia and Herzegovina came under the control of the ‘Independent State of Croatia”, a Croatian puppet government of the Nazis. They murdered hundreds of thousands of Jews, Serbs, and Roma (gypsies). Today the Jewish population in Sarajevo numbers about 600 and they have only one active synagogue.

I asked the guide what he thought the future was for Bosnia. He shrugged and sighed and said he didn’t know, except that he hoped there would never be another war. He mentioned that Czechoslovakia had separated with an agreement celebrated over a bottle of champagne.

Honestly, does anyone believe that will happen in the Balkans?

 

The next day I was on a walking tour through downtown Sarajevo. Our guide was a charming 30 something year old Bosniak lady who spoke perfect English. Again, it was early December so there were only 2 of us on the tour. It meant being able to ask questions.

“So what’s the difference between Croats, Serbs and Bosniaks?”

“Nothing really, except for history and religion. But originally we are all the same Slavic people, speak the same language although for identity reasons we call it different names (Bosnian, Croatian, Serbian). But they’re more similar than American English to British English. The difference really is the history and the different religions that developed as a result. Honestly, if you see us on the street you wouldn’t be able to tell us apart. But the major identifier is religion – if you’re Catholic you’re Croat, if you’re Muslim you’re Bosnian, if you’re Orthodox you’re Serb. Nobody is going to identify themselves as a Muslim Croat or an Orthodox Bosnian. It’s really about religion”.

Above: underwear ads next to mosque and orthodox church. Underwear doesn’t discriminate.

I have a hard time convincing myself that Bosnians are Muslim. Yes, many women wear shawls and you hear the chant from the mosque. But you also see the men wearing the typical Balkan sweatpants, you’ll see the same underwear advertisements on billboards that you see everywhere else in the Balkans, and most women you’ll see walking around Sarajevo are dressed just as they would in Croatia or Serbia. Bosnia is “Muslim-lite”. I asked about what were clearly Muslim tourists walking around, the men more conservatively dressed, the women wearing Niquabs. “We get many tourists from Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Iran”. She told me that these countries had promised to invest in Bosnia’s infrastructure “but so far they’re just building mosques”. She told me that Muslim visitors are shocked by how Bosnians conduct themselves, the way most women don’t cover their hair and how people drink beer just meters from the mosque. “We’re Muslim, but we are a different kind of Muslim. We’re European first”.

Our guide added one more thing. “You know, when the Serbs attacked us some said they were getting back at us for the Ottoman times. How stupid is this thinking? The Ottomans came here and converted Bosnia to Islam. It is not us that attacked the Serbs”.

 

I walked around the city center, walking down the main street nicknamed Sniper Alley during the War.  I recognized the two towers that had been burning in the video at the museum. They had been fixed up. They are still the only two skyscrapers in the downtown core. Right next to them is the Holiday Inn which served as the base for all foreign journalists. It was one of the few buildings where they had electricity and water. It’s been fixed up as well and has new management. The hotel is now called Hotel Holiday. I’m sure there’s a joke about that somewhere. All around the city are red splotch marks on the sidewalk, they indicate where people died because of mortars. Everywhere you see a red splotch at least 3 died. You’ll still see tons of buildings with shrapnel holes. The strange thing is that Sarajevo’s central district looks almost as it did in the video from the war. Those two towers and the hotel next to it dominate the landscape. This is maybe the most disturbing thing – except for repairs, the cityscape hasn’t changed in 22 years. Show me photos of almost any city 20 years ago compared to the present day.  They’re often unrecognizable. Not Sarajevo. It makes sense: Sarajevo’s population has actually gone down since the war, from a pre-war (1991) population of 360,000 to a population of 275,000 as per the last census in 2013. The composition of its citizens has also changed. Before the war there was more of an ethnic mix with Bosniaks making up 50% of the population, the rest being mostly Serb. Since the war, the Serbs moved out of the city (mostly to Republika Srpska) and now the Bosniak population is about 81%. So the country is now segregated along ethnic lines contained within different political boundaries.

 

But this isn’t so much a reflection on Sarajevo or on Bosnia and Hercegovina. It’s a reflection on the Balkans. The reason Bosnia and Hercegovina is in the crosshairs is because of the ethnic mix in the country. I had told one of the guides that some people compared the situation in the Balkans to African tribalism. He had looked down, thinking about it, before replying “there are a lot of stupid, uneducated people here in the Balkans”.

Sarajevo was nicknamed the Jerusalem of Europe because it was where 4 religions (Islam, Christianity, Orthodoxy, and Judaism) co-existed. You’ll still see religious houses of the 4 faiths walking around the city. It’s inspiring. But Sarajevo has gone the way of the rest of the Balkans in terms of segregation of ethnicities: Serb minorities left Croatia after the war, just as they left the Federation of Bosnia and Hercegovina. Croatia is now overwhelmingly ethnic Croatian (90% per last census), Serbia is 83% Serbian, Bosnia and Hercegovina is the most ethnically diverse (50% Bosniak, 31% Serb, 15% Croat) BUT when broken down among the two political entities in the country you get a truer picture – the Federation of Bosnia and Hercegovina is 70% Bosniak, 22% Croat (all near the Croatian border), and 3% Serb…the Serbs have all moved in Republika Srpska which is 82% Serb, 14% Bosniak, and 2% Croat. It paints a picture of 3 ethnicities that won’t co-exist.

 

So what is the issue in the Balkans?
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The two older men that I met on that last day in Sarajevo are Bosniaks. Both served in the army protecting Sarajevo from the siege. They lost a lot of family and friends in the war. They spoke of children getting killed playing in their backyards. They lamented the fact that Bosnia and Hercegovina is the basket case it is today. “There is nothing here. The biggest tragedy is that all the young people are leaving. There is no future in this country”. I asked them what I had asked both tour guides “So what’s wrong with the Balkans?”. Their answer: “Too many uneducated people that the politicians can manipulate through nationalism and religion. It doesn’t make sense – we have friends and family in Croatia and Serbia. We have more similarities than differences”. Then he uttered what I mentioned at the top of this post ““we must have something wrong with our heads. Maybe something wrong in our genes. It doesn’t make sense”.

While I was in Sarajevo the news came out about Slobodan Praljak, the Croatian General who committed suicide in court after being charged with war crimes relating to the siege of Mostar. I came back to Croatia where the indictment and suicide have opened up fresh wounds. Croatian politicians are denouncing the verdict and want to challenge the ruling. Many Croatians are calling him a war hero – just as in Serbia where indicted war criminals such as Slobodan Milosevic and Ratko Mladic are regarded by Serbs as war heroes. This is the Balkans, where old grievances are never forgotten and where retribution is always on the mind. It reminds me of obsessed sports fans – otherwise rational people – who count every perceived offense or slight against their team (whether by the other team or by officials) and hold on to every one of these injustices, counting the days until the next game in the hope they’ll get justice. The obsession is with injustices of the past, the future with settling the score. This is the Balkans today. And that’s what’s depressing.

 

When I lived in Africa as a child, we had family friends from Yugoslavia. As many people tell me now (and it doesn’t matter whether it’s Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro or Macedonia) the Yugoslav passport at the time gave citizens access to the entire world, East and West. Talk to them and you can feel the nostalgia and pride. They’ll tell you that Yugoslavia was a ‘real’ country, accepted and respected by the world community. Tito, the authoritarian leader of Yugoslavia (some would call him a dictator), also brings up nostalgia. When we first came to the Balkans 3 years ago feelings about him seemed a bit more mixed. It seems to me that people hold him in higher esteem today. I was actually surprised to hear one of our guides in Sarajevo refer to him as “our great leader”, probably the most respectful title I’ve heard yet. Nostalgia and memories of better times does that.

Below: A few examples from Sarajevo’s War Childhood Museum (worth a visit)

 

 

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Please don’t let the above discourage you from visiting Sarajevo. It is yet another interesting pocket of the Balkans, with a unique culture and very welcoming people. We’ve had personal experiences in the Balkans unlike anywhere else in the world. It’s part of the reason we try so hard to understand the history and mentality. But Sarajevo is more than just it’s war history – it’s also a very scenic and atmospheric city. My next post will be a photo essay on the sights in and around Sarajevo. A teaser:

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  1. Wow! Incredible history. I don’t know what’s wrong with us sounds about right for a whole lot of hot spots in the world. The human race is a failed experiment it seems, sad to say. I remember the war and thinking it seemed so pointless. The politicians deserve special places in hell. It sucks that the young people and future generations get to pay the price while they send their families to other countries. This must have been a hard visit by the sounds of it. Thanks .

    • Frank (bbqboy) says:

      Thanks Kemkem. It was an interesting visit and I found it educational. And I liked Sarajevo – lots of pretty geography with views over the city, a nice old town, good food and friendly people. It was only hard in the sense that the history and current hopelessness seems so unavoidable. Made me angry. I can only imagine what a citizen of this country must feel.

  2. I visited in 2004. It was an eerie, creepy place to visit. People were friendly and would talk about the war. Some said it would restart the second peace keepers left, the younger people I spoke to said they didnt hate anyone. But it was all weird. And heaps of shrapnel marks. I was there in the Summer. The snow makes it even more creepy, and I didnt really venture into the Serbian parts of the country except on a train to Zagreb. fantastic informative post Frank
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    • Frank (bbqboy) says:

      Thank you Andrew.
      Places need younger people, they’re usually the ones who’re open to everything including other cultures, languages. So they’re losing exactly the people they need to move forward and get past all the hate.
      I imagine Sarajevo must be beautiful in the summer!

  3. Great story and accurate portret of my native city of Sarajevo and Bosnia and Herzegovina. Frank, you have accomplished something that I thought is almost impossible, to capture, in short one week visit, the essence of life, culture and history of Sarajevo, to understand controversies of incredible political hate and unsurpassed spirit and hospitality of little man. I always refrered to it as a City with a Soul, and really it still has it, despite our enemies tried everything to kill it. You walked, you mingled , you took great photos, I just wish, everyone who visits Sarajevo, has that much patience and will, to really get to know it, with all of it’s pros and cons. It is charming in all four sessond, but my favorite months to visit are May and September, not to hot or crowded.

    • Frank (bbqboy) says:

      Thank you very much Samir for the nice comment and feedback. Sarajevo is definitely a place I’d like to get back to 🙂 . Special memories.

  4. Hi Frank,
    You know I have been reading most of your posts, this is by far the most introspective and enlightening, despite the fact that I am a “student” of the Balkans and Eastern Europe. Your photos are incredible, and Sarajevo looks so different in Snow. I disagree with the comment by Andrew that it is creepy. Even in a place with such history and problems, it can have lots of beauty looking through it’s torturous soul. I dread that I missed visiting the Jewish Cemetery and couldn’t even be successful to see the famous “Hagaddah” at the national Museum. It’s right across that Holiday Inn you took a photo off by Sniper Alley. Anyway, It is sad, because I loved Sarajevo (I told you so in my previous comments). I can’t understand these politicians who are trying so hard to be accepted into the EU and do nothing to make it happen in terms of conditions. Again, yours is a superb expose, well analyzed. Kudos!!!

    • Frank (bbqboy) says:

      Thank you for the kind words Sara. I went to the National Museum but somehow missed seeing the Hagaddah – I had built in almost 2 hours but ended up spending too much time in the Roman section and next thing you know I was running around trying to see the rest and not succeeding. I’m not sure where they kept the Hagaddah because didn’t come across it…
      Anyway, if you go to the National Museum make sure to build in extra time, it is very impressive and time flies…

  5. Hi Frank again,
    Could you send me separatly the beautiful photo of the Jewish cemetery, I’d appreciate it.
    Sara

  6. Hi Frank, You captured Sarajevo adeptly and shared nuances in the reality of being there.

    Like you, I’m technically an outsider, but unlike you, I married into a Bosnian family (hi Samir!) and have family in Herzegovina and Zagreb. I have a love/hate relationship with Sarajevo that goes like this: every time I get pissed off about smokers in a restaurant all is good when I hear the call to prayer; when the constant smog gets me, down a bowl of Begova Corba hits the spot; when the insane traffic boils my blood, a walk down Vilsonovo Setalista after 5 or the smiles of our favorite cabbies perk me up; when I see cemeteries everywhere and wonder why so many needed to perish, running into Bozo Vreco (and acting like a fan girl) on the street reminds me of everything I love about Sarajevo.

    When my hubby brags and says his hometown has a soul there is absolutely nothing to argue about because he’s right.

    • Frank (bbqboy) says:

      Thank you Lucija. Yes, I didn’t mention the smoking which is definitely a turn off. Came back to Split smelling like an ashtray. But Sarajevo was also different than many places I’ve been so like you I take the good with the bad 🙂

  7. Nice read. Two things I would point out is your mistake in equating the Croats as Christian and Serbs as Orthodox. I’m sure you mean “Catholic’ Croats for both Orthodox Serbs and Croats are Christian. Second, the ‘Dog problem’ is much more interesting than just a ‘problem’ For the most part the dogs and humans of Sarajevo live happily together, they (the dogs…) are generally tagged, vaccinated and cared for by dedicated people. I believe it is to their credit that they choose this way rather than simply putting them down.

    • Frank (bbqboy) says:

      Thanks for the feedback and for catching the mistake. As far as dogs go, you are right – spoke to the guide about the dogs and she said the same thing. The stray dogs won’t be a problem in 10-12 years because they’ve been fixed. And they don’t look hungry or aggressive (although I did see a few that almost got themselves run over by traffic). Much better than in Romania where you’re always hearing about stray dogs getting poisoned by the authorities.
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  8. Hello Frank, first of all thanks for this post and thanks for describing our mess so precisely, but I would like to emphasize that the war actually ended in 1995, precisely November 21st the Dayton Accord was finally reached (this date is celebrated as holiday in Republika Srpska), and it was formally signed on December 14th 1995 in Paris. Btw. just a note about this, there were few agreements before, and one of them almost succeeded, but the day after the parties agreed, one of them resided. And I have to add that being Muslim means that you are Bosniak, not Bosnian, since Bosnian denotes regional affiliation. Also those people who declare themselves as Bosnians, not Bosniaks, Croats or Serbs, fall into the category of Others in our Constitution, which is btw. Annex 4 of Dayton Peace Accord. Only those three peoples are constituent according to our Constitution, which is in my opinion deeply discriminating and ethnically, not civic oriented. Our flag is imposed by Carlos Westendorp (High representative of International Community in BiH) on February 4th 1998 and officially accepted on August 3rd 2001 by our Parliament. I just also have to add the fact that we do not have lyrics for our anthem, and the anthem is called Intermezzo :S, but a lot of people sing old anthem Jedna is jedina (You are the one and only). I think there is a long way before us, a lot of things to process, to think about, a lot of confessions to make and all of us finally have to accept the crimes of the leaders of our ethnic groups back in the time of war and we have to start honoring all the victims of the war, regardless their religion, ethnic group or anything else. Btw. I am 27 and work with youth on inter-religious dialogue, peace building and reconciliation processes, and I still haven’t given up of this country. Best regards from Bosnia

    • Frank (bbqboy) says:

      Thanks for all the info Emina as well as the date correction (typo). You’ve added details I wasn’t aware of. All the best!

  9. Great overview and great city. Spent a couple of days here, that it was a pretty great city. And you might have the quote of the week … “underwear does not discriminate”

  10. “Depressed yet?” Yeah, the bitterness between the ethnic groups just makes me despair that anything positive is going to happen in this country. Well done on the article Frank, it’s every enlightening and the pictures in the misty, moody December set the tone for it.
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    • Frank (bbqboy) says:

      I knew about some of the politics problems before going Rebecca but I didn’t expect the political system to be so dysfunctional or divisive. It surprised me honestly, something you’d expect more in the 3rd world than in Europe. And what gets me is that it’s allowed to happen, 20+ years after the war with no resolution in sight. That’s what I found so depressing.

  11. It’s always so good to read your thoughtful posts on the cultures of the countries you visit. But the political troubles and ethnic/religious squabbles of Sarajevo and the Balkan countries all sound so terribly complex! It’s probably naive to wish for more and faster progress; one can hope though, right? (We’re always relieved to return home to Canada — safe, and we’re pretty good at welcoming and embracing other cultures; though we have to sort out our own First Nations mess and the rotten end of the stick they’re stuck with.)

    • Frank (bbqboy) says:

      Imagine if Germany and France never got over their issues? Where would Europe be today? The might not love each other, but they are holding Europe together these days politically and economically. The point is that always holding on to the past is not productive and that people have to move on. Maybe not forgive but at least move on. I don’t get a sense of that in the Balkans.

  12. Insightful story about Sarajevo. We visited a few months ago and had many of the same feelings. It’s a shame that conflict may once again visit this region.

    • Frank (bbqboy) says:

      Thanks Michael. Agree, it doesn’t sound like history has resolved anything there, if anything it feels that it’s just set the table for future conflict.

  13. I may be wrong, but think about the history. The people were ruled by the Communist system, which while giving the appearance of “unity” actually divided the people groups up and tried to take away their individual identity. Now that the USSR has disintegrated, those identities are trying to fully find themselves, but have a bit missing. Acceptance, which is what the USSR took from them and would be the key thing needed to regain the identity.

    Things like re-establishing such will not happen overnight. It could take 2 generations.
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    • Frank (bbqboy) says:

      Hi Ted. The USSR was never involved in the ex-Yugoslavia (unlike Czechoslovakia or Hungary) – Yugoslav communism was home-grown after WWII and led by Tito (actually born in Croatia). It was a very different style of communism to the Russian one and Yugoslavia followed a policy on non-alignment. Also, Yugoslavia came into existence in 1918 and was ‘united’ (was officially named the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes) way before communism came into being after WWII.

  14. It’s the same story all over the world. Until people learn to let go of the past, the future will remain clouded. I do wonder what the Sarajevo of the future will look like, with all the young people leaving for a better life, perhaps one day there will be nothing left of this once thriving city. Such a shame. The Bosnian War was the first big conflict that I can remember as a child, so it’s always held a bit of fascination, Sarajevo in particular (after reading the ‘Cellist of Sarajevo’ – recommend it if you haven’t read it). Interesting reading your thoughts, so different from a lot of the other blog posts out there that gloss over the depressing reality of today. Would love to hear more about your positive experiences there though, just to make sure I don’t leave it off my list for the future!

    • Frank (bbqboy) says:

      I actually just finished writing about my very positive experiences over a week in Sarajevo and will be publishing it over the next week or two (just after I do that obligatory year end summary post 🙂 )
      Maybe other bloggers have it right – I find most people can’t be bothered with history. Even tourists I meet on these tours can’t be bothered with history, they just want to take their photos of the bobsled run or some monument which they know nothing about (I met a South Korean on this tour who, when not taking photos, was napping in the car while the guide was explaining things). Overall these kind of post don’t do well among ‘tourists’, it’s more locals who usually have something to say. So I really appreciate your comment Heather.
      All the best to you and Pete in 2018. You know, I still can’t shake that image of him on that toilet. I think that will stay with me for a long time 🙂

      • I get that history isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, but personally I’m not sure what the point of visiting a place is if you aren’t at least a little curious about the story behind it. Pretty pictures and the rise of the instagram monster have a lot to answer for. Can’t believe the S Korean lady actually napped on your tour, how incredibly rude. Even if I wasn’t interested, I’d at least pretend to be – which is why it’s always me asking questions and talking to the guide whilst everyone else just does their thing (can never throw off those very British shackles!). I’m glad you stick to writing exactly what you want rather than pandering to what ‘most tourists’ want to read, don’t change!! Hope you both have a fabulous 2018 (sounds like you have a lot planned, SEA watch out). And apologies once again for the toilet image. Unbelievably that post has worked wonders for us and I’m now doing a bit of freelance travel writing as a result. No accounting for taste 🙂

  15. I’ve always found the former Yugoslavia to be fascinating after watching the Sarajevo Winter Olympics and, only a few years later, watching the civil war unfold as well as the trials for war crimes. This was a wonderful post Frank, with a thoughtful perspective and yes, depressing as well. Sadly, reflecting on conditions in my country of birth, it’s not hard to draw parallel’s between your friend’ comment, “too many uneducated people that the politicians can manipulate through nationalism and religion” and what’s happening in the US. And, it’s not hard to conclude that history’s lessons fall on deaf ears.

    • Frank (bbqboy) says:

      Thanks for the comment Anita.
      I’ve had a few local people comment to me on FB that “you don’t understand if you don’t live in the Balkans” that “you don’t know enough”. As I said to those, I hear the same from Croatians who 60+ years after WWII still fight among themselves because their grand parents fought on different sides. I think this ‘outsiders’ argument is just a reason to carry on the emotional, sometimes illogical, arguments that persist today without seeing things objectively. Just because people live somewhere doesn’t mean they’re all well-informed.
      Again, we can draw parallels to the US.
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