Note: this post dates back to 2013 and recounts how I was scammed in 2003. I wouldn’t normally keep an old post like this on the blog except that it still happens today. Read the comments below for other people’s stories and keep your eyes open if going to Bangkok.
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I never wanted to write about the Bangkok Gem scam. It’s embarrassing. Only idiots fall for that, right? But there’s something about Bangkok that brings the crazy and stupid out of people – and I was one of those.
I’m writing this post only because I watched an episode of Scam City a few weeks ago. The city they were highlighting was Bangkok. The episode was filmed in 2012 and it covers the Gem Scam which surprisingly, many years after I was scammed, is still going strong. Just like my encounter, the episode shows lots of tourists walking in and out of the gem shop (or “Export Center”) in question. There are tons of warnings in travel books about the Gem Scam and most tourists who have done their research should never fall for it. Somehow they still do.
[Just as a little note in my defense before I tell this story: I knew nothing about the Gem Scam prior to going because I hadn’t done any reading on Bangkok, or Thailand, for that matter. I was supposed to be going on vacation to the Philippines with a new girlfriend. Suddenly 3 days before our departure, her overly-possessive father freaks out. We changed our tickets last minute. That’s how I ended up going to Thailand basically clueless].
If you don’t have time to see the Scam City episode, I’ll give you a very quick summary of how the Gem Scam works:
1) You, as a tourist, show up at the either the Grand Palace or Wat Po to see the sights. A friendly Thai approaches you and asks you where you are going. You tell him “I’m going to see the Grand Palace/Wat Po”. He tells you a variation of “Grand Palace/Wat Po closed today for construction/because monks are praying/because it’s a national holiday” (fill in one of the reasons). He might tell you that it’s closed for only a few hours for lunch.
2) Your new Thai friend then proposes that you take a tour on a tuk-tuk to a few nearby temples (“go see Standing Buddha Temple/Lucky Buddha Temple/ Lying Buddha temple. Vely good”. He also slips in “and you go to Export Center, also vely good”. He conveniently has a tuk-tuk driver a few feet away who nods and says he’ll take you and that it won’t cost much (they’ll tell you 50 baht or so, which is under $2). You’re hesitant at first, but since your plans for the day have been ruined or delayed you say “ok”.
3) The driver drives you around the old city which is quite nice. Maybe 5 minutes later you arrive at the first temple. Very quiet, no other tourists. You walk around, take a few photos, then get back into the tuk-tuk.
4) He brings you to a 2nd temple. By this time you’re enjoying yourself, feeling relaxed, and thinking that taking this tour was a great idea. You walk around the temple. Somewhere, somehow, you meet someone who makes conversation with you. The person is friendly and speaks English. In the episode above, he is a middle aged Thai. Somewhere in the conversation the subject of the Export Center is brought up, something along the likes of “Have you been to the Export Center? No? You have to go, it is a special sale by government to promote tourism. The sale is only today and tomorrow, you get 30% off on gems. You can buy at half the price and sell in your country for double the value!”. He doesn’t do a hard sell but you are convinced, you have dollar signs in your eyes (“Hey, I can make enough money selling gems to pay for this vacation!”).
5) The Export Center was the last stop on your tour anyway. The taxi driver asks you “Export Center?” you say yes.
6) From then on it’s easy. He takes you to a large gem store which he says is the “Export Center” (you can’t tell anyway because you don’t read Thai). You’re a bit nervous at first but you see other foreigners in there so you relax, it’s obviously popular. You speak to a salesperson, find out what is on special and what is good value (“Blue Sapphires, only $3,000 for ring, necklace, earrings). You say “ok”. Gulp. You walk out of there with your gems looking forward to selling them at home for double the price.
7) A few weeks later you get home, take them to a few jewelry stores where they look at you like you’re an idiot when they find out how much you paid for them. They examine them, tell you they are worth maybe $200. Your heart starts racing. You don’t know whether to believe them.
8) You get a gemologist to appraise your gems and find out that they are indeed worth a fraction of what you have paid for them. Voila, you are a victim of the Gem Scam!
I saw the above mentioned episode and I wouldn’t have fallen for it. Our scammers were even smoother than the above.
In many respects my story was almost the same: The Thai man at the Grand Palace told us that it was closed for lunch, that it would be open again in 2 hours. Plenty of time for a little tuk-tuk tour. But the big thing, the thing that totally conned me, was the English speaking man we met.
We were at the 2nd temple, the Lucky Buddha temple, when another tuk-tuk pulled up. In it was an Americanwith a Thai friend (I thought they were a gay couple at the time, but that really doesn’t have anything to do with the story). We somehow got to speaking with the American; mid-20’s, from San Francisco. We compared travel notes, he told us the places he had been. He never even brought up the Export Center. I did. I asked him “This guy we met mentioned something about the Export Center. We’re not interested, but what’s that about?”. That’s when he started “Oh, the Export Center. Yeah, they sell gems at big discounts, I come here to visit once a year and I bring them back home to sell”. He then proceeded to pull out a box from his bag and show us some gems “See, you have to buy blue Sapphires, they’re famous here in Thailand and the best value back home”.
I didn’t get conned by a Thai, I got conned by a fellow tourist. I still can’t believe he was in on the scheme. The crazy thing was that 3 weeks later, back in Montreal, I met up with another couple who had been conned the same way – by the same guy!
Our Bangkok adventures got even crazier. After purchasing the gems, the “Export Center” arranged a tour for us. The rest of the day we were taken for; 1) a canal ride, 2) Thai massage (the real one where they crack your bones, not the one that includes a happy ending), 3) a night out for a Thai show. I remarked to the girl giving us this tour that the Thai government certainly was generous in the way they treated their guests. I don’t know how she kept a straight face.
So that’s how the Gem scam works. Please don’t comment telling me that I was an idiot and that I deserved it. I know. My only defense is that I was unprepared, as I mentioned above. It was also one of my first independent trips abroad, I would never fall for that today.
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Jamie
So me and my wife went to one of the temples and were walking outside to go in the grand palace. A man stopped us and said we couldnt go in due to our dress code and said the place was closed as it was prayer time. He recommend we go to the good luck buddha and happy buddha and said that today is a special day as a jewelry shop was selling blue saphire which is expensive in the UK and today is the only day to buy it. He arrange a tuk tuk for 100 baht including a tuk tuk ride to both temples, jewelry shop and a suit shop which we did and everything was going well. We went to the good luck buddha and as we entered a guy stopped us and told us to sit for 5 minutes as it was good luck and then told us about today being a good day to buy blue sapphire ring and said the store only allows you to buy 3 pieces as so many people buy and it was the only day to buy it. He then started talking to us about football and showed us his bank account and said how much he made from selling blue sapphire and that the blue sapphire ring he was weaering is worth £60k. He then said how much we paid for the tuk tuk which was 100 baht was a good deal. We then went to the one jewelry shop called ‘Prime Dragon’ and bought a ring worth £600 and they took a screen shot of my passport and filled a form out where we were staying and leaving Thailand. When we had got to the hotel my wife did research and found it was a scam and it said to contact the tourist police which we did and they said they would arrange to meet us at the place in the morning and an officer will help get us our money back. We went via grab and when we got there we both knew something was off as there were about 6 of them waiting outside and we told the grab taxi driver to wait until we sorted it out however I could tell he knew something was up and didnt want to get involved and knew something was dodgy about the shop. We got out of the taxi and the manager of the shop was telling us to come in and to sort the refund out in the shop next door and as soon as I turned my head to the main entrance we went in to browse the jewelry there were around 4 women trying to hold the door shut. The thailand tourist police were a long the scam as they didnt even bother coming. They were forcing us to come in and were very threatening and saying we are part of the mafia and I turned to the manager and told her that we will leave the refund and she was putting her thumbs up suggesting it was a good idea we walk away. It was a very scary situation for us especially being tourists and in another country. The whole situation is a scam and the store is called Prime Dragon. It was a very upsetting situation especially as we were enjoying our holiday and was ruined by these idiots. The whole plan/situation is set up by the mafia who work with the government and police and is why you cannot do anything about it as they threaten you with being arrested or killed as the mafia police and government all work together.
Frank (bbqboy)
Thank you. You’re saying what I’ve always said: the government and the police are involved. Happened to me in 2003…more than 20 years later still going strong.
Sorry about your experience.
Rebecca
The same thing happened to my daughter and I today. We are supposed to be meeting the tourist police there at 1pm tomorrow, but I don’t know the address since the tuk tuk took us. Does anyone know the address?
Agnese
Hey, Rebecca, sorry to hear! But at least you will get 80% back.
The address is 455/31 Rama 6 Road
Rebecca
Thank you Agnese! They agreed to give me back 75%. I can’t believe I fell for it!
Joanne Robb
Just an update, this is all still going on in the exact same fashion and detail as described here.
There were 4 of us today who got off at the MRT station for Grand Palace and decided in our wisdom to get a tuk tuk to save the sweat! 100 Baht … ok lets go…
Interjection… No wait the friendly Thai man that talks too much convinced us for 200 we could do this little tour as Grand Palace was closed until 2… I said to my friends – it’s probably BS, but lets go and see – it’s only $10 between us.
Arriving at the “Lucky Palace’ – aptly named we meet the ‘educated’ Thai man who knows everything about our country and the jewellers there where we can sell gemstones that we can buy here a great profit… yeah right. He quotes Michael Hill and Stewart Dawsons, Westfield Malls in NZ as places where we could sell these gemstones for big profits…. mmm ok lets check out this place… keeping an open sceptical mind here.
We arrive at the so called ‘Export Centre’ which the government (tongue in cheek) is promoting tourism post covid – by discounting the tax of 195%… really? and only on the 1st and 15th of the month and it just so happens that today is the first! – duh
Anyhow we are warmly welcomed, given water ( perhaps they should give us wine instead… lol) and the four of are ushered over to a corner to be shown precious gemstones in beautiful settings! Remember our trusty man at the Lucky temple said only sapphires – they are the best! – Noted.
The four of us are in the said gemstone shop and they are all over us thinking we are buyers….we are playing the game and one of our group is quite serious so they are focussing on him. Meanwhile I am googling, which they are hating … then I find this post .. oops we just blew their cover. Three of us walked out and left the serious buyer inside who quickly came out to see our issue. It was so interesting, they dropped us like hot potatoes and the tuk tuk driver was incredibly angry at not getting his cut, he drove like a man possessed and dropped us the Grand Palace. I’m still giggling about this several hours later… but please a warning to others no one is going to help you for free while travelling – pave and go your own way.
Frank (bbqboy)
Great comment!! You summed it up perfectly. I’m happy you came across this post, for anyone that I can help it’s a little F*ck You to those who scammed me back in 2003…
Joanne Robb
I’m just still giggling and our serious buyer is still mad he can’t make his promised money! It’s all too funny, but do feel for those who get suckered in.
Agnese
Heyaa!
Added a comment yesterday, but can’t find it today anymore.
Anyhow – I also fell for the gem scam 🙈
But understood it rather fast, when started searching up the gem stone shop. Contacted Tourist Police, we went to the shop together the next day and they will be refunding me 80% on my card (I paid by Visa). It is already such a casual process, that no negotiation was not needed and looked like the Tourist Police and the lady from shop are long time aquintances 😁
Signed the refund paperwork and was done in 10 minutes.
I asked the girl from Tourist Police how come that everyone knows about this and this scheme still keeps running. The answer was – they have a license and when inspection comes, the jewels they check are real. Sooooo, technically it’s not scam, you get a real stone, however – very much overpriced for the quality it is. Which technically is allowed, anyone can put any price on the product they sell and it’s your decision if you want to buy it.
But nevertheless – this is a con, so be aware!
Frank (bbqboy)
Thank you Agnese for sharing your experience. Glad you got most of your money back. And thanks for the insights.
Alex
Hi Agnese,
Commenting on behalf of a family member who fell for the same scam yesterday. We wanted to check if you did in fact receive the refunded money on your card, or if we need to be insisting on cash. Any further advice would be greatly appreciated! 🙏
Agnese
Hey, sorry to hear, but I indeed got my money refunded on my card after 10 days.
Just contact Tourist Police and go to the shop together with them.
Good luck !
Agnese
Heyaa, another scam victim here!
Thankfully didn’t spend much in the infamous Prime Dragon Jewellery, and still I am pissed.
Went to Tourist Police booth, which was closed (although it was still their working time), got sent to Pathum Wan police station, where no one was speaking English and then got on the phone with tourist police help (could dial myself because I don’t have Thailand sim card).
As it was 8pm already and the shop is closed, we will proceed tomorrow morning.
As far as I understand, the best is being a bit aggressive and telling people in front of the shop it’s a scam.
Paid by Visa, so trying to dispute the payment with my bank.
Update will follow.
Neri
Hi please help me
Here is my email [email protected]
Neri
how can I report if I’m already in the Philippines please help me. I want my money back,
that’s how it happened to us
Xoxo
Can’t believe that I actually got scammed at Thailand after coming here upteen times…While walking , we are approached by 2 security guards and they told us that it’s Buddha day yesterday & we should go pray for good luck as it’s only opened yesterday the rest of the day is closed. They called a Tuk Tuk for us for 150 baht and they will bring us around.
After we reached the temple , a guy approached us out of nowhere and did a fortune telling for us and told us that we should go and get a gem jewellery for good luck & prosperity & he even told us he is a MBS director (at that part of time it didn’t cross our mind as he speak very fluent English). He gave me the shop address & even speak to my Tuk Tuk driver on the direction of the shop. He told me that this shop cannot be found on google map & the shop name review can’t be found online (which is true enough lol)
After purchasing the gem from prime dragon jewellery store my instinct told me otherwise.. I don’t feel good after purchasing and I felt that the whole incident is like a fraud .So I did a research on the shop but unable to find until last night I found a blogspot warning people that they got scam by them And apparently they keep changing name & some had it verified by local jewellery shop and it’s not authentic at all) Below is the URL link : (you can read under the comment section a lot of people is in the same situation as us & we would like to request for a full refund and cancel the payment) will return the seller the product in original condition when purchased.) hope to hear from you soon.
Update : went to file a police report on 21/3/24 . Police went down to the store with me on 22/3/24. Apparently , this shop had been scamming quite a number of foreigners & heard from the officers that the main boss is from China & everyday there is at least a case from this store ! Do be careful when a stranger approach you out of nowhere especially near temple areas as we got approached by 2 security guards there.
When we reach the shop , 2 officers went there with us & one of the short hair lady which she claimed that she is a lawyer (lol , it’s a lie, the way she spoke to us was so abrupt and rude even the officers say so). She bought us to a “shady room” right beside the shop to negotiate. THEY ONLY REFUND 75% and that’s how they earn the money.
** 2 security guards , Foreign guy which is kind to us out of nowhere & Tuk Tuk driver & this gem store is cahoot together **
After signing the agreement for refund of 75% . She mentioned that refund will only be made 7-10 days as the bank need to process. If I didn’t receive my payment by then , I will definitely make a trip to make a fuss again. Will update here once I receive back my payment.
SHOP NAME : Prime dragon jewellery
Frank (bbqboy)
Thank you for sharing your story and for warning others! Very helpful.
Good luck getting your money back. At least it’s 75%…better than nothing.
It’s incredible that this is still going on.
Xoxo
Hi frank , thank you. Can I just check with you have you contacted anyone being scammed by “prime dragon” and have they received their refund from them via credit card ? As they had took back the jewellery & we are doubting if they will even credit the amount back to us as promised.
Frank (bbqboy)
“Prime Dragon” seems to be the new “it” place and if you look at comments below yours people have the same story. People have said that they would be getting their money back and they didn’t comment after except for Iryna who says she got her money…so I am assuming everyone got their money.
At least you are there and you can go back if you have issue. Many people will have left Thailand by then and when that happens it seems impossible to get your money…
Xoxo
Oh dear … I’m so thankful for this blogpost actually. After reading all the comments that why I have the time to file a police report and make a trip down to the store. Anyway , for those people that got scam by them , I would advise you to go with police officers , do not go alone. She will bring you to a shady room and who knows what might happen. Although the police officers “don’t interfere only sat there throughout to prevent any fights / argument” . Will keep an update after 10 days as mentioned by that so called “ lawyer that is very rude & abrupt” throughout the entire convo (short hair lady) .
Frank (bbqboy)
Best of luck and thanks again. It makes me angry that this is still going on and that everyone is a piece of it (including the police).
Libra
If you have a papers contract of refund products no need to worry the visa will help you to claim your money back as they have a visa court to handle the case abb n d sure you have a document and you will win the case ! Just inform your bank to inform the visa or what credit card company are you using ! 100% you can get your money back the you and that shop agreed amount ! It’s always happen at online buying if you want to return the products you order ! 100% money back if you have a proper documents that
R
Hi libra ! Sadly they didn’t provide me with any documents after they took back our items. At that part of time I didn’t think much of it . They only issued us a refund form of 75% which is ridiculous. Since they are so well known for scamming tourist .
Libra
Try that document refund you can used ! Just send to your bank
Robin
Fell for this scam at the exact location you did, but they changed the current business name to Prime Dragon Jewelry Company (which was advertised to us by the scammers as simply the “Thai Factory”). Got suspicious about the “authentication certificate” after coming back to the hotel, tried to look the company up, found nothing, looked up the address instead, and found this blog post, so I hope if someone else looks up Prime Dragon, they’ll be directed here too.
Thank you for this post, I wish I’d somehow read it before I even bought anything, but now I’m unsure what to do. They had us sign a lot of in-depth paperwork which might interfere with any refund attempts…
Frank (bbqboy)
I wouldn’t worry about the paperwork, they’re selling you crap. Follow some of the advice in the comments, some people were quite persistent in their efforts in getting their money back!
Venus
Reading this story of gems scam make me sick ! The best way I think send all you letter to the Thai embassy In your country together with all documents they issue the more case is more better and sure the Thai embassy will inform the tourism authority of Thailand to stop this company that will damage the reputation of their country . I don’t know if its work or not but anyway this shop will stop and the address is always the same that’s why they will difficult to operate again if is in the same address ! That’s why if you are been victim also must spare your time and write a letter send to Thai embassy on your country
Selina
Fell for this two days ago as well. Exactly the same story. Went back with the police by my side and got 70% of my money back (hopefully, they are transferring it, but I couldn‘t change the manager‘s mind since I payed by card. But I got the document and the police told me I can always come back if they don‘t transfer it)
Current name and adress of the fraud company:
Prime Dragon
455 Thanon Rama 6th road
If you got scammed the police station in duty is the
Phaya Thai Police station (closest one)
Good luck!
Chiny
Did they transfer ot back to you?
alexia
hello, my friend just got cheated by this shop, do you have the contact of that policeman ? How can you elaborate how did you get your money back. My friend case is 2 weeks ago. If it still in time ?
ํีYUI
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU THIS YOUR FRIEND GOT MONEY BACK
BEST REGARD
YUI
Felice
Hello selina,
I just got scam in the same store with just few days ago. Is it possible fot you to give your email or contact no, because i have the same situation with you. I just shock and i want to consult with you. Because you can get your money back. I dont know what to do.
Thank you,
Felice
Dear selina,
Did they really return the money?
I just got scam , i am so shock.
Dont know what to do.
Mark
Just been scammed for £1400 (63000 thb)!!
I always thought I was quite wise to day to day scammers but this one totally done me!!
All the same sort of stories with the Tuk Tuk tour for 200 baht, the trip to the temples with special entry and the guy there who was so very convincing regarding the gem stone deals that could only be purchased that day due to the Buddhist holiday!
I even paid the Tuk Tuk man an extra 400 THB as his tour was amazing!!
We do have a few pics of this guy which we took when he dropped us back at the hotel. My alarm was raised when he obviously ‘shyed’ away from the camera.
Just please dont fall for this and do a quick google search if something doesn’t seem right. I wish I had, as soon as I entered ‘blue sapphire Bangkok’ in google I was flooded with horror stories!!
Be careful if you do look for retribution as all of these scammers are part of a wider group connected to the Thai mafia!
Jay
Hi,
Can we still get our money back???
We just scammed.
Just accidentally search the jewelry shop and found out this blog.😭😭😭.
We bought 2 rings worth 54k bhat!
Pls help!
Jay
Please help!!!
Can We get out money back?
I just accidentally search for the jewelry store and found out this blog. 😭😭😭😭.
We bought 2 rings cost 54k Bhat!!!
Can we get a refund???
Iryna
Guys, I’ve got my money back. 80% of amount which I spent there. Thank you for sharing advices. I used it. I called tourist police and went with officer to that shop. First, they didn’t want to give my money back, then we’re agree only for 50%, later for 70% and I made them give me back in cash 80%. Which I believe is not bad. Honestly, the guy from tourist police was not that helpful. But after I went outside of the shop and approached the tourists who came by tuk tuk, and warned them about jewelry scam, the manager and owner of the shop run to me and offered to give 80% back in cash! I made them! Unfortunately, the police is also involved in scam. It was sad to see another people arriving to that shop. But it is full mafia. I saw the owner. Old Thai lady who looks like lady boy after 10 plastic surgeries
Frank (bbqboy)
That’s great! You are tough going outside scaring away their customers. Good for you!
R. Nelson
I cant believe my friend and I just fell for the scam! I read all i could about Bangkok before i got here and never heard about this scam. Crap. I was giving this jewelry to my daughters. I dont have alot of money and thought i was making an investment. I tried calling the tourist police but they didnt answer. Then ut was posted the police were in on it! I dont know where to turn. Now im one of those old people scammers pick on. Crap
Frank (bbqboy)
Sorry to hear. This scam is never going away…imagine, this happened to me back in 2003 (I think. So long ago now I forgot). Everyone’s in on it.
R.Nelson
I spent all day in the tourist police filing a report. Then we went to the regular police. They wanted me to have jewels inspected by a jewelry store but I’m leaving today and couldnt do that. They told me to contact the Thailand embassy when I get back to the USA. It made me feel better but I was hoping I was helping in stopping this scam ring. Guess that’s doubtful
Frank (bbqboy)
My experience hearing people’s stories is that once you’ve left the country nothing will be resolved. Nobody will do anything and they know that. I just hope you didn’t lose too much money.
Anne
Please tell me was it a certificate stating Dear Gems and Jewelry International?
Nobody gives name of store or address …
R
Yes…certificate from Dear Gems and Jewelry International. 455/31 New Rams VI Road, Bangkok. Tuk tuk drivers know where it’s at!
Felice
Where police station did you report? Or by phone? I got scam just few days ago in the same shop.
Felice
Hello iryna,
I also just goy scam like yours. Can you help me? May i have your email or contact no,? I dont know what to do and how to get back my money. It was in the same store prime dragon. I am so regret to believe them.
Iryna
It’s happened to me few days ago. December 2022. They still do the same things. I paid 200$ for silver ring with sapphire. Informed my bank and raised a case in tourist police. Not sure that will get my money back. But at least bank will put them in black list
Donya
Hi, did you ever get your money back? This just happened to me and I plan to dispute it with my credit card company as well.
R. Husak
They are still looking into it. I hope it’s resolved in my favor. Sorry to hear it happened to you also.
Diane Flores
It also happened to us July 2023. We tried to dispute in Bank Of America. We sent all the documents they need. We wrote a letter how its happen, but after 2 months Bank of America denied our dispute. Even though we told them its a fraudulent scam. They just denied our dispute at amount of $2280.. It is a nightmare to us never going back to Thailand.
Anna Santos
What’s the name of the store?
Rhonda Husak
The tuk tuk driver called it the import export exchange but on the receipt it says Dear Gems and Jewelry International. 455/31 New Rama, VI Road, Bangkok. On the internet it said they change their name alot.
Frank (bbqboy)
Exactly. These places fly by night and have probably changed names many, many times over.
Simone
PRIME DRAGON JEWERLY CO., LTD.
Iryna Chumak
Yes, I’ve got 80% of my money back, they paid me in cash. I guess, I was lucky, as I had one more before my departure. So, I just went to that store by taxi, God knows how I found it. I stranded in front of their entrance and caught tourists informing them about scam. The owner of that shop went outside and spoke to me. I said that I want my money back. She invited me to her office upstairs. Omg, it was creepy. Then tourist police officer entered shop and joined us (I gave him a call 1 hour in advance). He was helpless. So I decided to help me on my own. I lied to the owner that I’m planning to stay in Bangkok 1 more month and will come to her shop every single day informing their potential clients about scam. And it worked immediately. The owner gave me back my money 💰 80% of the amount which I paid. To be honest, I could see, that even tourist police officer was surprised 😮 I did it not only Bcs of money, I did it for self respect and I’m proud that I was able to protect myself
Anna Santos
What store are we talking about here? Is it Pan House of Jewelry Co. Ltd? Please reply asap thanks
JC Baltazar
Hi Anna. Been brought to the same shop you mention, Pan House of Jewelry Co., Ltd. just this week. Now I got worried with all this stories I heard from others.
Jayson
Hi have you legitimately check Pan House or your jewelry if its real? I also bought on the same store.
Mark F
I initially fell for that scam too. We bought a ring and it needed to be sized. They were to deliver it to your hotel room that evening. In the interim my wife became suspicious and googled the business learn about it. Yes, the Lucky Budha Temple and all of it was right there. I returned to the business and they refused to cancel my order. I threatened to call the police and they did not care. Contact the embassy and they did not care. I threatened to call visa credit card. They cared and I knew I had hit the nerve. Since we had not taken possession of the ring, Visa told us not to accept it. We ended up filing a claim against the business and Visa returned the money to us.
Frank (bbqboy)
Bravo, good for you guys! Smart.
Funny, twice during the last month I’ve had to put in claims to Visa to reverse charges that were either 1) I didn’t get service for (NHL.com, an online subscription to watch hockey live) 2) a duplicate charge. Visa was great and it was done in no time. So I can see why your threats worked out for you.
Some of us have to learn that hard way.
Iryna
À who was following me around the shop and a lot of sales man and sales ladies. Guys, you can get your money back just show them what they can lose if not return your money back
pierre lavergne
Mark, where did you file a claim against the business? How did Visa accept to reimburse you? I opened a case with them, see what they say. Doing from home, so more difficult than in Bangkok directly. Wonder how Visa and other CC companies continue to keep this Prime Dragon Jewelry as their merchant.
Roberto
The credit card have a rules and protocol many scammer buyer order jewelry online and cancel the payment and complain that the products have a problem or not the same quality this case is 1000 times than the case you have that’s why the credit card is very careful the best way you must return the products if you can and made a documents or police report that you return the products and the duty police is your witness that he see or witness that the shop recieve it and make a police report and sign it by police duty officer even they don’t want to give you a full refund ! This documents police report is very important for you to cancel your payment send the document to your bank or credit card issuer and they will process it and sure you will win and return your money 100% full amount that you paid back the reason is shop recieve the products back and the documents from police you file is enough evidence that the product was return to them
Galal Basahl
Hi everyone,
Before reading your stories about scammers in BKK Thailand, I was planning to visit Thailand to sell precious gemstones natural rough & unheated such as Ruby, Rare White Spinel, Rare Pearl, Rare Bi-Color Spinel & other gems. Now I have to think about it. Any advice would be highly appreciated.
Frank (bbqboy)
Hi Galal,
It’s not familiar with that side of the market but I would think that Bangkok being such a center for stones you would not have any issues. As for anything, there are reputable companies…and other shady businesses that build around that to scam people. With proper research I think you would be fine.
Chris Beshara
She used 10k in cash or credit while there…, and the rest I do not know how she paid them, I meant to say, as there is no way she could travel with that much money on hand , but she returned to Canada and they shipped the stuff later. She took it all for appraisals and some were lab created, where others had flaws and were only a fraction of what she paid for them. She bought rubies, sapphires, emeralds, you name it. My Brother even brought me back a tiny ruby, and looking closer it was cracked. It is a lot of money to lose I know. She got that money from liquidating an antique shop owned by her Mother Sister and herself while they were on a trip through Europe, she has since been running from them for years.. I felt sorry for my Brother, because half of the 10k was his money. The other money in reality she stole from her family, and then it was stolen from her. It’s a big busy world we live in with a lot of dishonest people.
Chris Beshara
I knew a woman through my Brother. She was a very nasty person. Never had a good thing to say to, or about anyone. She was terrible. A very hateful person that caused many people grief. She was not very smart though. She went on a trip with my Brother to Thailand, and fell victim to a gem scam. Took about 300k with her and came back to find she was so ripped off, and could not do a thing about it. In this case it is called Karma. She got it good. Sorry folks, I do not feel sorry for her one bit in the slightest. I think he is still with the genius! Tells you something about him……..
tony
I have a friend who just returned from Bangkok – she says she is getting Jewelry sent to her via mail from a family run shop, again to avoid import charges. They let her stay at their house and apparently bought her plane ticket home. She bought 10K (CAD) worth of jewelry to take to a contact (once arrived via mail) back in Canada – being “promised” to make 5K profit off these jewels. anyone else encounter this. She insists its not a scam.
Frank (bbqboy)
Hmm, well I would suggest that the 1st thing she do when she gets it is to get it evaluated. The being “promised” part rings alarm bells…
Chris Beshara
I hope she is right for her sake.
Asif Khan
Gemstone factory and mining export center Bangkok
Address : 90/75-76 Rajcha Prarop RD.
Phaya Thai Rajchatavee Dist.
Bangkok Thailand
Tel : 0-2642-7637
Fax: 0-2642-7638
My story:
Same story. A friendly guy near Indra market in Bangkok told us about the last day sale at a nearby gem store. We went there to avail that offer and bought 2 rings for almost $180. Owner of that shop told us that they are in mining business from last several years. He also gave us a certificate of authenticity that we are buying real blue and colorless sapphire. All fake! My wife was so happy that I bought her a real sapphire ring 🙂 Now we are back in our home country and reading these gem scam stories and laughing. We are so lucky that we spent only $180 there.
Regards
Asif Khan
Karachi Pakistan
Frank (bbqboy)
Thank you for the story Asif!
We were just back in Bangkok after many years and good to see this scam still going strong 🙁
damanis
The last three day in Bangkok , we have met a man near BTS saphan taksin ‘s temple on the side of street ,asking us the way we are going and stopped a tuk -tuk for bringing us to reclining Buddha and pier N4 which only costed us 4o baht . We didn’t think more , we straight away got in the tuk tuk , when we arrived the reclining Buddha . We saw a man sitting over there , he asked me for stop walking and sitting on as a respect for Buddha . After we sat down , the man started having conversation with us , telling us the story of orang sapphire which could bring power and luck to us . Then , he asked us go to color gem , which was the last day of promotion and they ‘re selling cheap gem and reminded us to buy at least 1 carat of orange sapphire . When we reached the shop , we were welcome by his manager , we were asked to sit still at one place and not allowed us to communicate with other customer . Within 15 minutes , we bought two rings which costed 184000 baht without the second thought that we been cheated . So do , they offered to give a free drive started from the day we bought the ring until we back home . The second day , we re greeted by a lady in our hotel , she bought us to floating market and bathig elephant . When we had lunch together with our driver and the lady , I started realized that the man I met in temple and our driver, both have a very similar face which made me thought of I may be one of the victim to get scam . Thank for the kind remainders who shared out the scammed in Thailand . Then , I confronted to the lady and she bought me back to her shop . After met her manager , we asked for full refund and they did give us back . But I felt bad , because in the shop , there still have victim who was facing the same kind of scamming we have experience which we could not shout out loud to tell them . We scared they might be bond with mafia . Any way , we are so much thank for all the kind remainders over here for helping us escaping from gem scamming in Bangkok . Overall ,we have a good experience in bathing elephant .
Frank (bbqboy)
Wow, great story and excellent that you caught on to the scam!! You’re right, they’re tied into the mafia and the police. Imagine, it happened to us in 2002 and now 16 years later the same thing happens. There are people in power who don’t want it to stop.
Thanks for sharing the story. The most important thing is that you realized what was going on while still in the country. Once outside it is much harder to get your money back.
A. Ghosh
Thank you
Will be back with updates.
A. Ghosh
Hi
Just want to know , “do I need to tell credit card company the whole story ? Or should I justmention ripped off?”
Need guidance, please advise.
Thanks
Frank (bbqboy)
Just be honest – you were overcharged for what you found out after was an inferior product. You’re willing to send back the goods but you want the charges reversed.
It’s also within 10 days of purchase which helps your case.
A. Ghosh
Hi
Thanks for replying. Bank told me to submit the dispute form. Doing so , will be back with updates soon.
A. Ghosh
Hi
I am also a victim of this scam. It happened with us on 30th December 2016.
We had been advised by a travel agent to go to sightsee in the part of Bangkok with the palace and temples. He told us to go by canal/boat because the taxis would not go right near the palace and we would have to walk anyways. So we went by canal and on getting out of the boat and coming up on the street, we stopped to check the map the agent had given us to see in which direction we would have to walk next. Right then, a man came and started a conversation asking us if we were tourists and where we had come from and how long we would stay. He spoke good English. He circled a part of our map, labelling it Thai Export and another part, naming it Lucky Buddha. Then he told us that that day the government was giving a promotion and we could get a tuk-tuk to hire and see the city for only 40 Baht. We took the offer and at that moment a tuk-tuk was driving past, the man hailed the tuk-tuk and told him to take us around the city. It took us to a few places, then to the Lucky Buddha. There, another man who too spoke good English started a conversation with almost the same questions as the previous man. He told us that we were lucky to see the Buddha because it was only open once a year. He also said that only for that day, sapphire would be sold at a cheaper rate, and was going to circle the Thai Export on our map, but saw it had already been marked. So, next, the tuk-tuk took us to a building with no name which was, according to him, the Thai Export. When we went in, everyone was friendly. The shop name was “Color Gems”.
We choose 1 locket, 1 ear ring, 1 ring. The shop keeper said it is made of white gold . All together it was THB 35,500. I gave my ICICI Visa debit card and the transaction was rejected. Then I gave HDFC Visa Credit Card and it is accepted. There were two transactions one THB 25,000 and THB 10,500.
Now after coming back whend I was searching for Lucky Buddha details as I wanted to post a picture on social media along with some information of the place, all scam stories came up. This page was on the top and all the details mentioned here on the first post was so very similar with us. Immediately I rushed to a nearby jeweller who said the Sapphire stone seems to be real but we have paid an amount of more than of the actual price. RatNo I was not after making money, am a woman of late thirties who wanted to buy this for personal collection.
Now can anyone suggest me how to get my money back.
I am back to my country now.
Frank (bbqboy)
Hi Jasmine,
The best thing to do is contact your credit card company right away, tell them you were ripped off, that you want the transaction reversed. They’ll do an investigation and will most likely side in your favour. Look up in the comments above, there have been several example of charges being reversed. It’s a good thing you paid by credit card.
Keen
My wife and I got this scam too. Visited Thailand so many times and we still fall for it. Same story from the Buddha day and so, went to lucky temple then to this shop color gem. Bought 2 rings for 25000 baht and happily believing how miracle fate can be. Then that night, I googled “lucky temple” and all the stories came. Our morale was so down, carry research how to deal with it since we are flying back SG the next day afternoon. Woke up early, wanted to taxi down to shop and ask for refund, when all the taxi driver ask whether are we buying anything and we said NO, they will act blur and don’t know the way and asked to take others. Time is running out for us, so we headed back to hotel. Got the concierge to help, told him our story and he help us by calling them up. Over the phone, the jeweler promise a refund straight away, not sure what the concierge guy told him. Arrange a taxi who is willing to bring us down. Reach destination, went in and saw the salesperson who sold us the rings and said we wanted to refund. No argument no other excuse, did the 100% refund for us. Though it was a bank credit voucher. Still worried whether the refund will be approve. Called SG bank and said they will help us settle the case if things didn’t go well. So waiting for this 2 weeks, hopefully it’s a success case.
Frank (bbqboy)
Good for you for having researched it! It sounds like everything will be fine, glad to hear it.
Funny, why is it that if a hotel concierge can fix things – why can’t the police? Why is this still going on? This scam would not exist anymore if the government or police did something to clamp down on this.
Ling
I caught by the same scam last Friday. Since we didn’t know what to do, we talked to the hotel manager for help. She called the shop and they said would refund to us. To ensure our safety, the hotel security head went to the shop with us and the shop agreed to refund without any argument. We will still contact the credit card company to confirm the status.
We are so lucky!
Frank (bbqboy)
Very smart! Good for you. And very nice of the hotel to be so helpful.
Thank you for sharing your experience Ling.
Betsey
This happened to us earlier this year also. When we got back to the hotel something told me to Google “Manee Thai”… The name of the export center… My heart just dropped and I felt sick to my stomach. We read stories of bad experiences when people tried to take the jewelry back so we called the US Embassy and they adviced us to call the tourist police… But we read some shady stuff about the tourist police and we didn’t want to go back to a place of organized crime so we just left it as is until we got back to the states… We took the jewelry to get appraised (appraised for much less than the claimed value). We called Manee Thai to let them know we would be shipping the jewelry back Express mail and they kept telling us that we weren’t going to get refunded and they were just extremely rude… I paid $60 to ship it Express through USPS and got a tracking number. Once it arrives at Manee Thai, they refused the package and sent it back to us. We filed a claim through CitiCards/MasterCard … They gave us a provisional credit for $1663 (amount of charge)..After three months they wrote back and said that Manee Thai refused to refund us and sent us all the documents we signed and Citi charged us $1663 again. My husband appealed the decision and cited some Texas case law and referenced how this scam has been going on for years and urged MasterCard to stop doing business with this merchant. Citi gave us the provisional credit of $1663 again. Once again, Manee Thai refused to refund us so our dispute got sent to arbitration. Today (about a month later) we got a letter from Citi stating that we don’t have to return the $1663 credit and it’s permanent and they basically sided with us. We filed the original dispute in March and it’s August now. Took a while but with the wait since we got 100% of our money back. We felt so embarrassed to fall for this scam. The sapphires are still in the original packaging from when we shipped them to Thailand… I don’t want anything to do with them. Lol Hopefully this information can help someone else.
Betsey
*Worth the wait (not “with the wait” lol)
Frank (bbqboy)
Thank you Betsy.
I would have told you that you did the wrong thing leaving the country without going to the tourist police. It seems that most people end up kissing that money goodbye when they do…
But this is a good story of how IF you paid by credit card you can get your money back with (a lot of) perseverance. Good for you for hanging on and not taking no for an answer.
Thank you very much for sharing this story, I’m sure it will help someone down the line 🙂
Rob
My friend and I got taken by this in 1992. Then we returned to our hostel and saw a flyer on the notice board warning of such scams. We thought, “My God, the idiots! How can be people be so stup…. Oh, wait!”
Anyway, we went to the tourist police, and a woman there was very helpful. She guided us through what we needed to do next, but did not get involved herself.
What we needed to do next was quite a lot!
First we got a taxi to the airport, where we somehow tracked down our package at the post office depot. (IIRC, the scammers may have even taken the package there themselves to speed its exit from the country.)
Then we took the gems to a gemology institute to have them examined and valued.
Finally, we returned to the shop with the gems and the gemologist’s report. We met with the owner, whose temperament and appearance were very different from the sales assistants we’d met earlier! Imagine a Thai version of Tuco Salamanca from Breaking Bad. This was clearly meant to intimidate us into accepting less than the 75% that they’d told us to accept at the tourist police. Fortunately we stuck to our guns and got the 75%. Despite the power these people seem to have, the threat of putting the matter back into the tourist police’s court did seem to work. I think there was an agreement that, if a victim takes back the gems, refund him 75% of what he paid and the police will leave you alone.
Frank (bbqboy)
That’s quite the story! Good for you on catching on and doing all that to get resolution – everyone’s experience seems to be that once you leave the country it’s very hard to get anything back.
Thanks for sharing Rob, hopefully it helps others.
algina
Hi all.
It happened to me too when I was in BKK dated Jun 29 2015. Almost the same stories like most of you been posted, a friendly Thai English speaking at middle age, telling you today is your SUPER LUCKY day and recommended few temples that you MUST go since you are so lucky blar blar blar …. then when we reached one of the quiet temple with no other tourists or local people, here came with another guy approaching you with all kind of sweet talk and sharing on his career and family and HOW he earns those $$ every year that could afford to support his 2 daughters to Spore International school. We were really lucky on that day because we met one of the tourist from HK when we were in the shop. He was giving me a hint that he came here ask for refund, don’t buy! Thanks for this gentleman and I hope this piece of info will help to other whoever wanted to visit BKK.
Frank (bbqboy)
Good story Algina. Yup, same thing repeating itself. It’s nice that the tourist spoke up.
Phoebe
I thought you might like to now that this scam was around when I first went to Bangkok in 1988! I fell for it (as there was no internet to research, no websites, no lovely bloggers warning about it!!) but I didn’t actually buy any gems. I was with my boyfriend and we were told the Grand Palace was closed for a National holiday but wouldn’t we like a tuk tuk tour. Exactly the same procedure. We were take to a gem store where as we were backpacking students we really couldn’t afford anything and stood firm. When we refused to buy things got quite nasty and they threatened us. Wee were left stranded in some distant part of Bangkok, left to make our own way back to the centre and it was pretty scary! That was my first day of independent travel in Asia as a 20 year old! It didn’t put me off travel though, but it is amazing how long the scam has been going!!
Frank (bbqboy)
Wow – I’m amazed both by how similar it was and by how mean they were.
And yes,27 years later its still happening.
Thanks for sharing this Phoebe.
Vivek Sharma
Hi,
Greetings !!! I have recovered my money from burglars. I have already share my story on this blog. This incident happened on 30 March 2015.
NOW i WANT TO HELP THE OTHERS, IF THERE IS ANYBODY HAVING ANY ISSUE WITH COLOR GEM BANGKOK PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
I will advice you and assist you at my best.
Kudos to me!!!
Remember never let your money for these thief’s.
For any other detail you can contact me at [email protected]
Admin (Frank), please provide my details to anybody who need help in this regard. I will be happy to help, since I can understand this pain.
Regards
Vivek Sharma
Frank (bbqboy)
Congratulations Vivek! Nice of you to offer help. I’m of course posting this here for others but will also keep in mind if a fresh case comes along.
Vivek Sharma
Thanks Frank, There is a small correction in the email Id I have mentioned above, please edit if possible i.e. [email protected].
It is my pleasure if I can help someone, as you are doing.
Regards
Vivek Sharma
Frank (bbqboy)
Done, I’ve corrected.
Thanks again Vivek.
Lowam
Hi Vivek, I just realised y’day we had also fall into the same trap after touched down to our country. We were in Chinatown the last Friday morning, while finding the direction to the shopping street, we were being approached by a guy who spoke fluent English (exactly same tricks of what people comments here). We were then brought to ‘Lucky Buddha’ and ‘met’ the same guy in the temple, age around in late 40s, pretended very friendly and chit-chatting with my husband to share the story of the temple.
When we got up to tuk tuk to next temple, he then came and asked us where the driver will bring us to? And strongly recommended us to the Gems shop for a look, we were than brought to the Gem shop name ‘Peter Nang’ and I have bought a gem stone pendant for 3000bath (my husband found the price is acceptable and I quite like the design so we bought it).
The tuk tuk then brought us to a very expensive local restaurant for lunch (taste is so so but a normal plate of Pathai or any normal dish is priced minimum 200bath), I got a shocked when saw the price but to me it’s alright since we don’t ordered lot of foods and since we were there. He then later brought us to IFC Tailor shop (the driver was very polite as asked us for a favor and not necessary to buy but helped him to stay at the shop for 10-15mins). The sales man whom name PK is very good sweet talker and kept telling to my husband how good is their blouse and trousers. My husband ended up made 3 blouse and 1 trouser at 5000bath. But they did delivered to our hotel on that day in night hour.
We are back to our country on Sat mid night but never think for we got scammed until last night before went to bed, I just google IFC out of curiosity, saw they have quite a number of bad comments in trip advisor (there are some good comments apart from bad). Google further for other information on the tuk tuk in bangkok and realised we had got scrammed as what we have met was exactly the same people is commenting online. What a goosh!!!
May I seek your advise for the gem pendant I’ve purchased in Peter Nang which I paid 3000bath. Do you think I got scam but after reading numerous post from people who got scammed, the amount they paid all seems to be in USD and huge sum (may I know how much you got cheated?)
Frank (bbqboy)
Yikes!! It sounds like you were everybody’s favorite tourist that day!!
3000 baht is about $100 US. If you like it just think of it as an expensive souvenir. Yes, it is probably fake, but if you like it and you only paid about $100 it is no big deal. I paid $3000 US (!!) for ring, earrings, and a pendant. It was supposed to be pure blue sapphire but was in reality a composite worth about $200 retail.
Next time you go to Bangkok please don’t listen to touts. They are all liars and you fell for all the scams that they typically try to get you for (tailor shop, gem, expensive restaurant – they only one you missed was the ping pong show where they’ll present you with a huge bill at the end of the night 🙂 ). I’ve been to Bangkok many times and every time there is a new trick. Please don’t listen to anyone next time.
But you only paid $100 for the gem and a bit more for the tailor. I would not lose sleep over those amounts.
Thank you for sharing your story. Sorry about your unpleasant trip.
Kathleen
Hi Vivek
Many thanks for posting. We were taken exactly like the other stories but thanks to you emailed suggestions we have been offered ful refund through credit note. We have seen a copy of the credit not. Now just waiting with fingers crossed that it is a genuine offer and the money will appear in our account.
Wish there had been more warning from holidays companies and hotels!
Koulis
Hi guys, yesterday the same happened to me ( lucky Buddha, a stranger starts telling about the expo where i can get the blue Saphire for half the price etc..). I bought a ring, back in the Hotel the same day i read all this here and realised what happend. Today i went to the tourist police, make a report and then went back to gems color to get my money back. They kept 5% of the price and said they will send the Rest back to the crédit card. I guess i am lucky with these 5%. I hope there wont be many other people getting fooled
Frank (bbqboy)
Great! Good for you, nice going! Love hearing that this post helped people out.
Lynn
It is always reassuring to know that you’re not alone in falling for the scam. Although we didn’t purchase anything, we got taken on a ride & pressured to buy a custom suit at several stores.
Check out our write up on our experience:
http://moneyleftfortravel.com/the-lucky-buddha-scam-bangkok/
Frank (bbqboy)
Thanks Lynn – yeah, they do that too, those Indian tailors in Thailand a pain…
vicki
This is still going on guys. Went to Golden Buddha yesterday 27/03/2015 and a friendly guy stopped to ask where I was going to which I said Grand Palace. Same story was given to me for 40 bhat drive to lucky buddha, whch I did. A friendly Thai guy was there and apparently he worked for the Thai Embassy in London and wasflying out that night. He started telling me about the gem expo to which I was least interested so I walked off.
thank god formy stingy nature(lol) that i told him strictly not interested , then the tuk tuk driver said i should take a boat trip to grand palace , i was like nope, either you take me there or I catch another tuk tuk to which he agreed.
I was not aware of this scam till now.
well gotta thank my guiding angle for looking after me .
Frank (bbqboy)
Good for you! Thanks for sharing the story, that’s a good one.Thai embassy on London huh? They sure know how to bullshit…
Mama
My bf and I had the same encounter yesterday.. Lucky buddha, 50 baht tuk ride, finally the jewel and followed us to hotel to get my credit card… Luckily we manage to escape them and never even paid for the ride back to hotel… =]
These people should be put behind bars..
Frank (bbqboy)
Good for you for catching on and having the balls to ditch them 😉
John
I got scammed in 1990 , on Silom rd, i was just walking and a guy approached me to practice his English. As soon as i paid they hustled me out of the shop , i knew something was wrong. i asked at the hotel reception and they laughed, almost commending the scam. No Jewellery shop would look at them, i went back the next day and they got violent and i feared for my life..to this day it was the most humiliating experience ever. Thailand is full of crooks and duplicity..never get close to a Thai they will take you for everything. in 2000 i saw the same guy operating his scam on Silm rd opposite the police sation, it was then i knew the police allow it, they are the originators..
Thanks for starting this thread.xxx
John
Just to update..after Bangkok i went to koh samui, and if you mentioned gem scam in group typically Guys would get defensive and say its BS, ‘ I’m now an import/export goon’ and girls would start crying…this scam stopped many holidays for the young traveller, many dreams and left people with the world in front of them helpless and broken ….there was and still is not enough info available , its a crime Thailand is to be treated with extreme contempt. Lets not forget Thailand is an affluent country, many fruits/natural resoures agricultural and valid tourism yet they bread this scam form the get go…
There was a couple who even went to the post office saw the GEMS it posted to their home address and after paying 3k USD (in 1990) a lot of money) and then nothing arrived. I know this as i told them it was a scam in K Samui, they did not believe me (in denial) and the wrote me a letter. Just think about the high level scam this is…the government/post office/police/MP’s/Customs et al…. assist on this whole scam…its still operating today…how do you stop it..by not going to Thailand..as you are flogging a dead horse other wise.
Frank (bbqboy)
Thank you for the comment John. Yes, you are right – it does go to the highest levels and if someone was serious enough about it it would no longer exist. 1990 for you, 2002 for me…and we were just in Bangkok and someone tried it on me again.
Thai’s think we are all rich and that if we fall for such a scam we deserve it. I think that it the believe behind everything. As a foreigner you’ll always have Thai’s trying to scam you and it is tiring…too much tourism, too easy, no reason to do anything. I think you many valid points.
John
Scary stuff here. I got scammed today. Some friends and I are vacationing here in Thailand and it was our last day in Chiang Mai. We entered the old city to make our way to the temples. As we were going back to retrieve a friend who was in the process of getting a tattoo a friendly thai gentleman approached who spoke excellent English and persuaded us to stay away from the night bazaar because that is where all the tourist went. He told us the temples would be closed until 5:30 and that we were lucky because it was a national holiday and the monks would be involved in some special ceremony after that time.
He suggested we go to some places called Umbrella, Shinawatra Silk and Gem Gallery. He told us it was only 15 minutes outside of the old city and it would cost 300 baht to get there unless we spoke thai. All of a sudden a tuk-tuk pulled up and the two men were negotiating a price for us to go. We thought the thai gentleman was so friendly because he talked the driver down to 120bht. All was well and good until we arrived at the Gem Gallery. I wanted to buy a birthday present for one of my dear Thai friends who happens to live in Bangkok. Her birthday was in July and since I had an opportunity to come visit her I wanted to get her something nice. I happened to purchase a ruby necklace and small chain 14k gold for 12,500 bht. ($400+usd) After reading some of the earlier stories I guess I didn’t fare as bad as others, but still embarrassed that I got duped. Learning experience indeed!
Frank (bbqboy)
Sorry to hear that John! But that’s a new twist – every other story I’ve ever heard happened in Bangkok. I guess someone figured out there’s money to be made…
Thanks for sharing your story, I’m sure it’ll help out some people.
Shikha
This is totally nuts isn’t it – I’m so glad you shared it with us so that we can avoid this happening. When I went to Bangkok, something similar could have ended up happening – we were heading to Grand Palace, a random lady started talking to us telling us it was closed etc etc and that if we come with her, we can see something else soon – fortunately,we got a hunch quite early on that this sounded a bit suspicious so made tracks (and of course everything was open as it should be). Amazing how these con-artists still manage to get away with it and so sorry to hear you fell victim to it. Live and learn I guess!
Paulina
Hi Frank and other,
Thank you for sharring your stories. It almost happend to me as well. I was with my boyfriend in Thailand 3 weeks ago. We made only 1 day trip to bangkok – as we didn´t have any tourist map we asked one guy on the street where is some tourist centre. He told us that he is Thai teacher and as it´s National day of Budha, tourist centre is closed. He wrote us on paper few places where to go and arranged for us tuk tuk with polite driver who promise to take us to these places for 20 BHT. We agreed and thought how lucky we are with this nice “thai teacher”. First he took us to “Lucky Budha Temple”. And of course we met there one guy who told us story how this is last day to buy some gems with discount (200 % tax free) and that we can sell it at home with 100 % profit. So driver took us to “Export centre”. As we had limited budget and we didn´t trust to these people we didn´t buy anything. We asked our driver to take us to some station from which we can go to the airport. Luckily he did it without any problems. I said to myself I will check these gems offers on google when we will be back at home. I found soo many stories and information about these bangkok scams that i was really suprised. It can really happen very easily to everyone !
Frank (bbqboy)
Thank you for your story Paulina. They should really put a sign up at the Lucky Buddha Temple, something like “You have probably been brought here to be scammed for gems. Doing so will be very unlucky”. It seems to be the place most tourists are approached for the scam. I still can’t believe this goes on, every year, same place, without anyone official having done anything about it.
LYN
I was scammed the similar way also about 10 years ago, end of the day, I did a research and with my Thai counter part – friends found out that the syndicate was backed by a very powerful Military official. I dig further and also found that many tourist whom ever scammed made report of this store and the police could do anything. While many other jewel store will close and reopen with another name again when too many tourist makes their report. This particular store never moved or close.
admin
Thanks Lyn. Yes, they suspected as much on Scam City but had no proof and people in on the scam didn’t want to talk, mostly out of fear. So it wouldn’t surprise me at all if somebody high up is or was involved..I just can’t understand why after all this time this is still happening.
Teresa
Hello,
First of all I want to thanks all this information you’ve posted in internet. I was last week in Bangkok and I experienced more or less the same as you, friendly man on the street, those temples are closed, better to go to others and tuc-tuc and a man in the buda temple. I was taken to Color Gems store which looked correct and I bought a pendant with citrine stone and white gold, and also a white gold chain. I paid 10,500 Baths and I got the certificate of natural stone. Since everything was very strange, I google ‘Color Gems’ and I’ve read your experiences. I was staying in Bangkok for a couple of days so I had to do something, first I check stone quality with Thai Gem & Jewellers association and even if they did not ensure me that was a syntetic stone, they told me, we guess it is syntetic but we are not 100% sure. Then I went to the police to make the complain and the police phoned the Jewellers store and after I went there to give back the pendant and the chain and to get money back. I paid with amex and they refund the amount I’ve paid also with amex in minutes and I’ve got money back.
The last day in Bangkok I was going to visit golden mount, and AGAIN the same man approaching to me!!, he did not recognize me but was againg hunting. When he recognized me, he run again. I felt ok since I did what I though I had to do.
Thanks for your comments and I hope this information is useful for other visitors to Bangkok
admin
That is a great story and makes my day – its exactly the reason that I did this post. Glad I could help you out and thanks for sharing your story with others. You did everything right in getting your money back!
Mik - UDrive
I have never heard of this scam and realize how easy it would be to fall for it. Although think the similar model is used in many countries
Katherine Belarmino
We didn’t fall for the tuk tuk scam, but my husband tried to. Same deal, on our way to the Grand Palace, trying to find the entrance. Tuk tuk driver seemed really nice and said it was closed until the afternoon. I was pulling my husband away while my husband kept saying, “he’s trying to help us.” I’m the planner in the family, so I knew about the scam. I had told Rome to beware, but he forgot. Thankfully we weren’t taken in.
Kay
I would like to share a scam story that happened to me a few days ago. I was in Bangkok wandering around like a lost tourist and sat down next to a tree to read my map. Few minutes later, a lady approached me and carried out the routine small talk. She recommended that I visit the Lucky Buddha temple in Makasan (sp?) and she helped me pick a few out tourist spots. Since I was set on visiting the temples anyway, I decided to check out this supposed Lucky Temple which was only open that day.
She put me in a tuk-tuk, told the driver where to go and kept saying 40 baht repeatedly like it was some sort of a code word. The driver duly obliged and took me to this Lucky Buddha temple. The place was secluded and shortly after I stepped in, a gentleman came inside and sat down next to me. Told me about the rituals, etc.
Just as I was about to get up, he grabbed my hand and started telling me how this Buddha was more than a 100 years old and that people visited it to bless their gems/jewels. He told me about sapphires and how they helped couples conceive children, how they helped single men (like me) find true love, how they helped business owners, you get the point? I was gullible enough to listen to it.
He got his card out, a Law firm card to gain my trust, and wrote down the name of an export shop that specialised in sapphire – Manee Diamond – and that because it was Buddha’s day, there would be a 30% discount. Same routine. The gentleman put me in the same tuk-tuk and told the driver to take me to the shop.
I arrived at this place in the middle of a secluded alley. It was very nicely presented and had all the tourism certificates, Visa/MC/Amex certified logos. I went in and the staff were very friendly. After spending a good half hour being told what each gem meant, and how they brought you luck and so on, I was in a buying frame of mind. The ring I chose was supposed to be 38,500 Baht and then discounted by 30%. I said that I had very little cash and that my max would be 16,000 Baht. This next part is where I was convinced/fooled because the lady said they would never consider selling below 25,000 Baht (the supposed cost price) and that she would have to ask her boss.
A moment later, her boss arrived and said that we could make a deal for 16,700 with a Visa or MasterCard. I didn’t have either and only had an American Express card. They said they would have to pay charges and I stupidly decided to cover those. Deal down, I signed for 17,000 and they would deliver the ring at my hotel in an hour.
So then, the lady arrived at my hotel and gave me the ring, certificate and sent me a very happy man. My friend, who I was travelling with, is a diamond merchant and said (at first glance) that the ring looks legit. I got back to Hong Kong and out of conscience, decided to have it checked. Boom! Scammed.
I checked the receipts and one was paid to Manee DIMOND and the certificate said DIAMOND. They also had different MDRS numbers 1441 and 1411.
It was my first time in Bangkok but it’s a lesson learned. I am currently fighting the dispute and will update you all once American Express get back to me.
admin
Thanks for sharing the story, amazing how similar it is to mine and how it keeps happening over and over again to different tourists. You’d think the Thai police would have clamped down on it by now.
Good luck, please let me know how you make out!!
Kay
Am more disappointed by the fact that I fell for something so stupid as opposed to losing the money. The money can easily be replaced but the images of the woman & man who played in on this will forever be etched in my memory.
American Express have filed a dispute case for me but it will take a minimum of 6-8 weeks which is a joke in itself. They probably expect me to give up any hope by then. Either way, I’ll come back then and let you know.
Have a good weekend.
admin
Yes, this is an experience that can make one sour on a place…
I hope Amex doesn’t give you the run around. If anything like my experience (which was a long time ago) these places don’t stay open long and they may be gone by the time American Express actually does anything. I’ll be interested in what they end up telling you but I wouldn’t hold too much hope…Any chance you’ll be going back to Bangkok? If you look at some of the above comments, particularly No. 13 from Kevin, you may see some good advice on getting your money back. Even if you’re not going back, maybe a good idea to write the Tourism Authority.
Let me know if you get any news!
Eric
How did your dispute go? The place I got scammed call themselves “Manee Thai”. Same store, fooled, scammed, thinking of flying back to refund. $350 flight is worth it to get my $9,000 back.
Frank (bbqboy)
OUch!! $9000. That hurts. Do it real quick. Read comments by Vivek, comment 7 (in the replies) and 29. He was able to get money back through his credit card company and is helping other people in the same situation. You’ll see his contact details under comment 29. Or, if you’re back in Bangkok, go see the Tourist Police ASAP.
Good luck, please let me know how it works out.
Eric
I contacted Vivek. Helped a lot. After talking to the merchant to get a settlement unsuccessfully, I called my credit cards to dispute the claim with Manee Thai. The jeweler didn’t like that, but I still have the contract that says “80% refund within 1 month of purchase”. The only problem is that the jewelery is about 15% of the purchase price and they will get the jewelry back. I calling attorneys in Bangkok, one of them offered to get a 100% refund for $1000, which is similar to 80% refund. So I’m deciding to buy a $300 plane ticket, stay in a $10/night hotel, and it seems to be a good idea to go to the tourist police once I get to the airport. I’ll file a criminal report even if it is just a waste of time and ask them to escort me to the jewelry shop. I’ve written down all the valuation information as evidence so I can easily show the police and the merchant that they lied when they said the jewelry is discounted and worth 1/3 of the price in Korea. I’m leaving for Thailand in a few days. I hope it will all be over soon and my funds will be back.
Details:
Purchase – $6,220
Max. Retail in Korea – $2,500-$3,000
Sales Clerk Pitch – 1/3 of Retail which should be $826-$987
Since I was told by the scammer at the temple and the jewelry store clerk that it was the last day of the promotion, I didn’t allow myself the usual time it takes to research the value of the jewelry. I will never make that mistake again. I would rather miss out on an opportunity than find myself in this mess again. Live and learn, forgive, and move on.
In Jesus’ name, I pray for them that the holy spirit touches their hearts and renews their minds and hearts into the likeness of Christ. The old is gone, the new has come. Anyone, anyone can be renewed by God through his one and only son. 2 Corinthians 5:17 NIV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Corinthians%205:17
Frank (bbqboy)
Thanks for the update Eric, glad to hear you’re getting resolution on this 🙂
Ines
I was also scammed in simmilar manner on 17th of August 2015 at MANEE THAI.
Pretty much the same story- you should visit the Lucky buda temple first because others are closed- take a tuk-tuk ride- random people aproaching in temples and talking about special promotion of thai culture today- they sell it duble price in London/Shangai-school their children, pay off the trip to Thailand from Sydney….
At the end I bought that ring with all the cash money I got with me and some from my credit card.
It took me 3 weeks to check the price of the ring, and when I googled MANEE THAI I was shocked… I also signed that I can return it for 80% of the price. As I live really far and cannot aford another trip is there a possibility I et the return without travel? And the other problem was that I payed in cash… 🙁 any suggestions would be welcome. How did it end up for you Eric?
Frank (bbqboy)
Hi Ines,
Paying cash might be the problem. I’ll suggest the same thing I suggested to Eric – contact Vivek (comment 29) who had a recent experience and got his money back. His full story is under comment 7. I believe the reason for his success however was that he was able to get his money back through the credit card company.
Otherwise I would suggest contacting the Thai Tourist Police however they seem to be useless if you’ve already left the country.
I’m sorry, really tough if you’re trying to do it from outside the country when you’ve paid cash.
Please let me know if you are able to get anywhere.
Kevin
Also, my wife was sitting in the taxi outside the jewellery shop ( color gems 31 new Rama 6th road), must have been there for about 45 minutes. She said there was a constant stream of tuk tuks bringing tourists there. It is a large scale operation!!
We were warned about the scam in our krabbi and chiang mai hotels, unfortunately the one that mattered in bangkok, we weren’t! I think tour operators and hotels should do more to make people aware.
admin
Thank you so much for your comment Kevin – you basically did everything right and other people reading this will benefit from it I hope. Glad to see you got all your money back, great story.
Yeah, it really is a large scale operation and it’s unbelievable that it is still going on now. Imagine, it was 2002 when it happened to me and even then it was in the guidebooks. Now 12 years later still going strong.
Again, thanks so much Kevin.
Vivek Sharma
Hi Admin, can I have the email id of Kevin for some clarification
Regards
Vivek Sharma
Frank (bbqboy)
Hi Vivek,
I’m sorry, I can’t give out the email addresses of other respondents. But I would do what Kevin did – which is contact your credit card company (as he did). Reading his comment I don’t think he can tell you more than that either.
Again, I’m sorry, but the privacy of each commenter is guaranteed and I can’t give out his information.
Kevin
I fell for this last 2 weeks ago, very first day in Thailand, on the very first place we got off the tourist boat. Friendly guy stopped us, tuk tuk, temple, no tax, etc,etc,etc.
So,so obvious when you know, but I was caught unawares and me and my wife were the naive enthusiastic tourists, prime target!! When I eventually come to the realisation what had happened I was in Chiang mai. I was so annoyed with myself and really gutted, I couldn’t even look at the ring anymore.
I was due to fly to krabbi via bangkok, and thought I need to at least try to get a refund before I left the country, otherwise it would drive me insane! So I booked a later flight to krabbi and went to tourist police at bangkok airport, they brought me to the Tourism authority where I made a complaint. They contacted the jewellers Color Gems and they said they would refund 100%, so jumped in a taxi and got it to wait outside for me. I had read a lot of stories about how dodgy these places were (since I bought the ring) and how police are paid in some areas to protect them, so I was a bit nervous! When we got there, they brought me into the side room and said they would give me a credit note as thai banking system would not allow them to refund onto a credit card. I didn’t believe them, as I had read on another blog that they received a credit note that didn’t come through after they had left the country.
Said I couldn’t accept this, and tried to ring tourism authority and tourist police several times, but couldn’t get through!!! Sod’s law! Then I rang my credit card company for advice and they said accept it and if it didn’t go through, their team would go after the money. So I left very dubious it would be refunded.
However a few days later it was in my bank, a harsh lesson learned!!!
Vivek Sharma
Hi Kevin,
Is it advisable to accept the credit note in case the buyer has left the country while the seller is asking to send the ring by courier, please advice?
Catherine
Gem Scam happened in 31New Rama 6th Road, Tanonphetchaburi, Ratchathewi, Bangkok 10400
Last winter break on Dec,14th,2013. I went to Bangkok with my 13 years old son; he had a base ball game with Bangkok international School. We visit some temples; one of them is named “Lucky Buddha Temple”. A very nice man around 40’s came to approach us, his English is much better than local people. When he knew we were from U.S, he said he used to live in California. After we visit the temple, he seems very nice and help us get a Tuk-Tuk to go back to hotel, then he told us there is a The Export Center(Color Gem) was on the way when I back to hotel.
Tuk-Tuk driver directly sent us to the store. I was asking for a untreated nature ruby earrings. The sales men Golf recommended this pare of “untreated nature rube earring” to me. It cost me few thousand USD.
When I back to home, I took my earrings to a few jewelry stores where they look at me like I am an idiot when they find out how much I paid for it. My heart starts racing.
I got a certified gemologist check and appraise my gems and found out that they are indeed worth a fraction of what I paid for them. It is not nature untreated ruby but a cheap sapphire. Now I am a victim of the Gem Scam!
admin
I’m sorry to hear that Catherine. Same temple as us!
I’ve read a lot of other stories and the best thing to do is to go to the police if you’re still in the country. Unfortunately most people have left by the time they figure out that they’ve been duped. In this case, the Thai department of Internal Affairs is your best bet, they can’t ‘negotiate’ with the jeweler for a refund. Unfortunately in our case the jeweler had closed down – that’s what they do, then they re-open under a different name.
Since yours was quite recent maybe you can try that suggestion?
Thanks for sharing your story.
Gai
Negative review of “Maiden Massage” on Narathiwat Ratchanakarin Rd., near Surawong Road in Bangkok. http://www.maidenmassage.com
This was my experience:
The English-speaking male tout pulled me in from the sidewalk, and offered me a “..young beauty special friendly girl for special massage..”. Ok, so I assumed that clearly meant your usual naughty massage.
I paid in advance 800-THB for the 1-hour. After I paid, the tout made a point of saying to me, “..you tip her extra, if she do all OK for you..”. That also seemed clear enough to me. The young cutie washed my feet and took me up the elevator to the 5th Floor. After I showered, the young girl re-appeared, and I initiated the usual negotiations trying to determine her limits and what it was going to cost me in “tips”.
Big Zero. Not even a fully clothed hand job… there wasn’t any sex service available at any price. The tout then re-appeared and explained that “..there was a misunderstanding, that really they don’t offer any sex services of any kind there..” The tout asked if I wanted to cancel, and I said yes, and I put my clothes on, and went back downstairs to the desk and stood there. Big dumb blank stares all around. The tout refused to refund all, or even a portion, of my 800-THB.
We strongly recommend against Maiden Massage.
…and I’m a pretty nice guy, and I’ve lived here a long time. Normally these scum bag parasites at the knockin’ shops don’t cheat me quite this bad, but this guy clearly offered “special”, when in fact that isn’t what they do at this place… This particular tout-monkey had an odd look about him, and he spoke English well enough.
I promised him that I would list my review on every forum on the planet, and I’m just getting started… If I can cut out even a tiny bit of his Japanese package tour business, it will be beau coups more than 800-THB…
admin
Hmmm…I’ll have to start a new post titled “Falling for the Bangkok Handjob Scam” 🙂
My only question reading this: are you sure this ‘tout’ represented Maiden Spa & Massage? Because looking at the site it seems like a legid place, not the kind of place where you go in looking for sex. Those places are usually pretty obvious. I wouldn’t trust any tout. Maybe you should have spoken to the people who actually worked at the Spa?
Thanks for the comment – it’s a bit off topic but might be of use to some readers.
Roxanne
I had a similar experience with someone walking up to me near the Golden Mount and another temple near there that had been commissioned by Rama III. Fortunately I did not fall for the scam and just said that even if the temple was closed for renovations I still wanted to take a few photos from the outside before going anywhere else. I then decided to leave through a different exit after spending a fair amount of time at the obviously open temple. I decided to walk to the next temple on my list and found this much smaller, not well known temple almost next to the well known one with the Rama III statue outside. The one half appeared to be under maintenance/renovation, no one seemed bothered by me coming in. I found a temple with a Buddha in it and a man sitting at the entrance. He was friendly and asked where I was from. Then he asked me how I heard about the temple as it is not well known, despite the official sign outside in both Thai and English, and what looked like monks staying on the property, I said that I saw it when I walked by and asked if he could tell me more about the place. All he said was it was the lucky Buddha and then continued to read his newspaper. I took some photos and left. When I got back to where I was staying I looked up the lucky Buddha on the Internet for more info and just saw posts about it being a scam. So now I am left wondering if that was a real temple after all or if it was a scam set up and I just wasn’t the guy’s target as I walked off of the street. I was not approached again until I got to Wat Pho and the Grand Palace and that was by tuk tuk drivers whom I just brushed off and continued walking to where I was headed.
admin
Interesting! I think you hit it on the head – he didn’t have the tuk-tuk guy to co-ordinate the whole scam with. Also sounds like he was surprised that you just showed up, I think most of the tourists that go to the Lucky Buddha temple have been brought there by would-be scammers. Thanks for sharing the story Roxanne!
zhou
It happened to me too, The location was near the exit of Golden Buddha, the place i planned to go is “ChinaTown”, the reason to stopped me enter in was “most shops is closed till 1:00 PM”, the “export center“ turned to be “Thai Factory”, the temple was “Lucky Buddha”, the gem was “Orange Sapphire”. But luckily, the only one deceived me eventually was the tuk-tuk driver. I didn’t realised that he was in the scam team too. I thought his work is more than 50b, so i gived him three 20 bahts and a “keep the change”.
admin
Hi Zhou – yes, the Lucky Buddha temple seems to be the favorite of the scammers. Glad to hear you were smart enough to avoid the trap!
beanie
My boyfriend and I just got back from Bangkok last night and start reading all these posts. We are terrified now and are looking for all possible ways to recover the entire sum of money.
we are glad that we have some thai friends and that we read a lot chinese posts about how chinese and taiwan people got their refund back as well.
Before the worst case scenario where we will have to take the gem back to Bangkok my friend will try to help us out.
I always know thai people are really nice especially the taxi driver who returned my lost mobile phone to us the previous day.
I suppose Chinese and Taiwan people are quite smart and act quick on recovering the money asfar as I’ve read online. Until our case is successful I suppose I should not post other people’s info quite yet.
Good luck to all and beware Thailand is quite dangerous as well.
admin
Beanie – your best bet is the Thai department of internal affairs. I previously wrote about our 2002 experience and the process we went through: “I attempted to get a refund but this is a very difficult process if you’ve already left the country. I put a lot of pressure on the Thai tourist police (totally useless), the Thai Gem & Jewellers association (never heard a word) and The Thai Consulate in Ottawa (never heard a word.) The best bet is the Thai department of Internal Affairs who can ‘negotiate’ with the jeweller for a refund. The Canadian Consulate in Bangkok was also quite helpful. These stores however operate under a given name for a very short time – 2 weeks after our return (6 weeks after our purchase) we found out that ‘Thai Mining Ltd’, otherwise known as ‘Export Center’ closed its doors”. Assuming nothing has changed, I would try to contact them asap.
Vivek Sharma
Hi,
Can you tell me the appropriate way how, I can resolve and refund my money. I have already left for my country (India) from Bangkok.
Regards
Vivek Sharma
Frank (bbqboy)
Hi Vivek,
Firstly, did you pay by credit card? If so contact the credit card company and see what they tell you.
Secoundly, contact the Thailand Tourist Police: http://www.siam-info.com/english/police.html
I’m sorry to tell you chances of getting your money back when you’ve left the country are poor. Check comments 13 (Kevin) and 19 (Teresa) who ended up getting their money back.
Once outside the country, I’m afraid the above is the best info I can give.
Good luck!
Vivek Sharma
Hi Frank,
Yes I paid through credit card. I have discussed to bank already, they can’t do anything now, since the payment is successfully done already. I have send an email email in this regard to seller. He is ready to refund the amount and asking me to courier the ring to Bangkok, as per his email. Is it advisable to do?
Regards
Vivek Sharma
Frank (bbqboy)
I can’t really tell you because there are a lot of companies and some are shadier than others. But if he sent you an email it is a good sign, most would have ignored you. If you send him the ring, make sure to get a signed receipt proving that he received it. And keep a copy of his email. That way it can be proven that he both a) promised to give you a refund and b) received the ring. Again though, the problem with these companies is that he can close up the store and open under a new name weeks later. Then he has both the money and the ring. So it is a risk you take…
Please let me know what you decide and how it turns out. Would be a happy ending if you can get your money back…
admin
That’s right! Same for Wat Po, don’t let them tell you otherwise!
Ayngelina
Looks like you can never be too vigilant on the road. Such a shame these scams still go on after so long and that people still fall for them
admin
Hi Ayngelina – in hindsight I was pretty stupid and it was a rookie mistake (this was back in 2002). But I fell for it because I was screwed over by a fellow tourist, I would never have expected that. The amazing thing is that people are still falling for this scam now, over 10 years later.
Fiona
I just got back from Thailand and I fell for it. Dammit. Live and learn, live and learn.
admin
Hi Fiona – sorry to hear. Would love to hear more of your experience if you have time to share it!
Fiona
I was in Bangkok for a day and a half last week and was heading out to Wat Pho when a really friendly man stopped to ask where I was going and if he could help me. I had already had a lot of people talking to me and being helpful without trying to get cash out of me so I was happy to talk to him. He told me Wat Pho was closed because the monks were praying but he gave some suggestions of other temples and told me that it was a special day and the government were sponsoring cheap tuk tuk rides. He suggested some temples and a market so I could see some Thai culture. That was the jewelry store. I felt pretty suspicious about the cheap tuk tuk but I checked the price several times and decided what the hell. I met someone at the first temple who was talking to me and then started telling me about an upcoming trip him and his family were taking to Sydney. He told me that he was paying for the trip by buying special discounted jewelry and then reselling it for much more in another country. He told me I should do it. I was totally unconvinced and nodded politely as he was giving me a hard sell on this. The next stop was a jewelry shop. This was actually a surprise as the guy who found me the tuk tuk had just mentioned this in the passing. This was the place I was going to see Thai culture. Whatever. I went in and had a look but didnt want to buy anything. I was still suspicious at this point and the sales ladies were really pushy which always puts me off. So I left and headed off to another temple. This time I met a Thai guy who claimed to be living and working in London. We were chatting and he asked how I got there. I said by tuk tuk and he said that he hoped I had gotten a good price as it was a special day. I told him I had. We started talking about the jewelry thing again and he encouraged me to buy something even if it was cheap and assured me that he did this every year and doubled his money. We had been talking about a lot of other things before this and he was nowhere near as pushy as the first guy. So he wrote down another jewelry store and I showed it to my tuk tuk driver and off we went. They were again quite pushy with me but the prices were a lot lower and I saw a pair of earrings for 3500 and thought hey why not give it a try? I ended up buying a bracelet for 6000 as well because I really liked it and off I went to see another temple and paid the driver the 20 baht we had agreed on. The next day I left my hotel and was once again told that Wat Pho was closed due to the monks praying and offered the exact same tuk tuk ride to the same temples. I told them I had already gone the day before and decided just to walk over to Wat Pho to see. Outside a tuk tuk driver told me I was going the wrong way for Wat Pho and I said that I heard it was closed. He told me that the man who said that was a scamp. Still no suspicions about the day before and I went and saw the temple. It wasn’t until I got home and looked online that I realised I had fallen for a scam. I intend to take the jewelry to get valued just to see as it could be fine. If it’s not then it’s not. It wasn’t too huge an amount. It was a pretty convincing scam with the placement of seemingly random people in the temples. In my defense I hadn’t planned on going to Bangkok so had done no research online before.
admin
Interesting Fiona. What I’m getting from your story is that the different jewellery stores all put their own representatives in these various temples…so maybe you say “no” at one store but still get a sales pitch for another store when you’re taken to a different temple. In the Scamcity episode that I had mentioned the host never got to the bottom of how the scam worked, who was behind it and how they work with the different tuk tuk companies. But I remember one driver who went on camera saying he couldn’t talk about it, that he risked his life if he did. There were also some suggestions that the police were somehow involved. Wouldn’t be shocked if they were – I find it amazing that this scam is still going strong after all these years (I was scammed back in 2002, that’s now 11 years ago…).
Thanks for sharing your story!
Mary Calculated Traveller
Hello fellow Canadian! I’m about to confess something. I too saw that episode of scam city AND I too got into a tuk tuk in Bangkok BEFORE watching the episode!
My story involves my husband, walking towards the Chao Phrya RIver. Gentleman says “Hey you are very tall”. Conversation about height begins(?!!)…”Hey you know you should go to this special temple because they are having a very rare ceremony today” Tuk tuk arrives out of no where. I say no thank you – husband says why not? We arrive at the temple and guess what? the ceremony is over….”well, while you are here why not go look at gems”.
In Bangkok our code names for each other quickly became Scully and Mulder. (X-files – Trust no one) Funny thing was that it was the exact same temple as in the Scam City episode AND it was the same guy sitting inside the temple that was trying to get us to go to look at gems!!
admin
Hi Mary! Wow, small world eh? I like that you have code names, we’ll have to do same. For now I just get an elbow in the ribs from Spanky.
admin
Thanks Linda! Yeah, there’s no coming back from that. Remember that shower scene from the “Crying Game”? That would have been me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhBr0lPNuuU